
I grew up in a small town in Utah where hunting was a big deal. We’d even get out of school for the annual deer hunt. My best friend (who was also the prom queen) had her own gun cabinet. My brothers got BB guns when they joined Cub Scouts. So while I’m not a gun owner and don’t want to be, I’ve always tried to be supportive of gun rights.
That has changed.
On a discussion about protecting your family, a reader named Amy commented: “I used to think the same way as you with regard to this thought: “I definitely want you to be able to keep your guns, but….”
But you know what, now I do want to take your guns away. Why do you need them? I want to take them all away. I live each day with a pit in my stomach as I send my young children to school. Why do we have to live like this? Maybe we should start having an honest conversation about wanting to take ALL THE GUNS AWAY!!!!!!!”
Amy’s got a point.
One thought that occurred to me: A majority of American citizens have been asking, demanding, begging for improvements to our gun safety laws for a long time. The asks have been reasonable and accommodating. The asks have been small changes and simple fixes — like closing the private sale loopholes, or implementing universal background checks. That same majority of Americans who want better gun regulations have listened to opposing views and acknowledged how unique and important our constitutional amendments are. But still, despite the patience, and small asks, and focus on common sense, and wide bi-partisan support for change, no action has been taken.
Have people reached the point where the majority of Americans are no longer willing to be accommodating about this? Are people feeling like: Hey, we tried to do this in small ways that wouldn’t freak you out, but you wouldn’t compromise even an inch. And now we’re done talking about small ways. We want all guns gone. Our patience is officially exhausted. You had your chance, but you weren’t willing to work with us, and now you’re going to lose your gun privileges.
This is a quote I read on Facebook from a friend in Michigan. He’s a middle-aged white man; a lawyer who I’ve always known to be pro-gun rights, and who lives in a county where there are a lot of hunters, so he’s surrounded by gun-owning friends, co-workers and family members:
“Until now, we were never coming for your guns. Those of us who have no real interest in guns simply wanted common sense regulations. But now, we are coming for your guns. And we’re going to use our vote to take them.”
I’ve come to believe that a gun ban in the U.S. is inevitable. You disagree? Let’s discuss.
I am a responsible gun owner. Why would we deny the rights of 99% of law-abiding gun owners because 1% are bad guys?
Is it the 1% who are the bad guys? Many (most?) gun owners in this country refuse to allow, or fight for, even the simplest most obvious regulations. Saying “I’m a responsible gun owner” is meaningless. It’s not useful to claim you are a responsible gun owner unless that term is legally defined and people are required to conform to it.
Is the father of two who keeps a gun under the driver’s seat a responsible gun owner? How about the grandma who sleeps with a gun under her pillow, and also gets unexpected visits from the grandkids? And what if your guns are stored with the ammunition?
If your neighbor’s teens know the code to their parents’ gun safe, are the parent’s responsible gun owners? If your brother has never had gun training, is he?
No one is a responsible gun owner until they demand and require everyone to be a responsible gun owner.
You want a full gun ban? That’s impossible. It could never happen here.
I never thought it was possible either. But lots of things Americans thought could never happen here, have happened. Do you remember the 90’s? At that time, no one could imagine that gay marriage would be legal. People predicted it would take several generations for anything like that to happen. It didn’t.
Honestly, I’ve never been out there fighting for a ban, and instead I’ve pushed the idea of effective nationwide gun laws. I know people across the country fighting for them. I follow and admire the work of Shannon Watts and the dedicated Moms Demand Action members. Heck, my daughter Olive helped organize and lead the March of our Lives in Oakland, California.
If gun owners had stepped up and fought for gun safety laws, I’d be fighting with them, and a gun ban would never cross my mind. Instead, gun advocates continue to fight gun law reform, and demand more guns. So we shouldn’t be surprised if in a very short time, making them all illegal becomes a possibility.
If small regulations haven’t passed, why would a full gun ban pass?
Gun owners have had their chance — over and over again for many, many years — to embrace simple regulations that would curb gun violence and protect our children. Instead they’ve elected officials who are bought by the NRA.
No one thinks criminals should be able to have a gun. But right now, there is nothing in place to stop it because of the gun show and private sale loophole, and the lack of any resources to make the national database useful.
Instead of embracing real change, gun owners have proposed ridiculous ideas like minimum wage armed guards at every school entrance, and laws to force teachers to be armed. It is up to gun owners to stand up to the NRA and get the most obvious stuff accomplished. But they haven’t done it.
People think guns will never be taken away. But there is a tipping point and I think we’ve reached it. The time for half measures is long gone. And a gun ban could now be possible.
Why would more laws work? There are already gun laws.
Current gun laws are arguably a charade. Gun laws change as you cross state borders. No background checks are needed to buy from private sellers or gun shows. There is no funding to keep the databases complete. There is no agreed upon standardized process which allows background checks to occur. The loopholes completely undermine the gun laws that exist.
And even California, the state with the most strict gun laws, doesn’t come close to the gun laws and culture-of-responsibility of all other high-income countries.
If there was a gun ban, only law-abiding citizens would obey. Criminals would hoard guns and ammunition.
I agree it will take some time to get the illegal guns out of play. But that is just a question of time. In the meantime, gun deaths will be drastically reduced. And only a national ban would have an impact in a country like this one, where state borders are open, and everyone can travel anywhere.
Gun owners need to step up and more vigorously support the debate, and the solutions. Gun owners, after all, have the most to lose. Excepting, of course, victims, all the families of those killed, and the communities trampled by gun violence.
Making heroin and meth illegal hasn’t worked, why would it work with guns?
Guns aren’t addictive and can’t be grown in backyards and fields like drugs. They require high level machining, manufacturing knowledge, and capital. Comparing guns and drugs doesn’t work.
We know that guns can be eradicated, because it’s been done before. Many countries have drastically reduced the amount of guns in the possession of both citizens and criminals, bringing death rates from gun violence to almost nothing.
It would take strict laws and time. Perhaps five to ten years. And then we would rarely if ever see these senseless, totally preventable gun deaths. So for me, even though I’ve always been supportive of gun rights, I would now support a full ban. Personally, I believe it is actually inevitable.
You mentioned simple regulations. Like what? What laws would prevent gun violence?
No solution will be perfect, and one idea does not necessarily preclude another. We can try many different things. Here are 10 smart regulations I’ve seen suggested:
– A true national background check for all gun sales with a fully funded complete database.
– Taking a harder look at who has the ‘right’ to own a gun.
– Defining what responsible gun ownership looks like. Are there mandates there?
– Making gun owners responsible for whatever happens with their gun.
– Making high-capacity weapons illegal.
– Requiring a mandatory 2-month waiting period.
– Requiring firearm insurance.
– Requiring firearm registration.
– Funding and training to enforce a lifetime ban on gun ownership for domestic violence convictions.
– Allow the CDC to study firearms as a matter of public health.
Do you really think the NRA and gun manufacturers would ever let a gun ban happen?
Surely you can see the NRA is the worst advocate of gun owners. These kids who see their classmates being slaughtered, who grow up doing active-shooter drills at school, are going to become adults and vote and push much, much stronger gun laws than the modest changes that have been suggested for years. Modest changes which the NRA refuses to agree to in any way.
Gun manufacturers love these shootings. As does the NRA. They make tens of millions more every time massacres occur.
And since gun owners and the NRA have no other solutions that don’t sound idiotic to most citizens (like arming school teachers), then it’s hard to have sympathy for what is coming some day soon, and probably sooner than those in the NRA bubble expect.
No one was coming for your guns. But that is probably changing now that gun owners have offered up nothing but baloney in the face of dead children. It’s just a question of time before voters (including many gun owners) do come for your guns.
But you can believe otherwise. Support the NRA. Oppose all gun regulations of any kind. The more people defend the current status quo, the quicker we get to the tipping point (which I believe has already arrived). And sooner than you think.
The NRA is not defending your gun rights. They are undermining them.
Guns are not the problem. Guns don’t kill people, people kill people.
It is a fantasy to argue that the wide availability of ever-cheaper, ever-faster and more effective high capacity weapons don’t play a big role in the gun problem. Just like if we allowed flame-throwers and chemical weapons to be aggressively sold to the public for a relatively low price, we’d have more problems with burning and gassing killings.
The gun violence statistics aren’t accurate. They include all the numbers of suicides by gun. Banning guns won’t stop suicides.
Actually, banning guns is the number one way to massively reduce suicides. A few stats:
– Guns are the most common method of suicides; used in about half of suicide deaths.
– Having access to a gun greatly increases the chance someone will suddenly, unexpectedly, and successfully kill themselves.
– Most suicides happen without warning. 54% of the people who kill themselves don’t have mental health issues, but instead are going through a temporary low-point — relationship problems, money problems, physical health problems.
– 85% of suicide attempts using guns are successful.
– Suicide attempts using non-gun methods are not nearly as successful. In fact, drug overdose, the most widely used method in suicide attempts, is fatal in less than 3 percent of cases.
– The decision for most people to take their lives happens in less than five minutes from thought to completion. That’s one reason (of many) why guns are so dangerous to have in the home.
Having a gun in the home is incredibly unsafe for any family. Gun violence — intentional or accidental — being inflicted on household members, is far more likely than an armed intruder. Suicide is unpredictable. Please do not keep guns in your home.
But what about a corrupt government? As soon as you remove guns, you remove every single protection we have from a corrupt government taking everything from us.
Your gun isn’t big enough, even combined with all the other ones, to protect yourself from our military. Rising up against the government, like is proposed by sideline militia groups and white supremacist groups, is an illusion. Of all the really thoughtless arguments against gun law reform, this one is the most ridiculous. And it’s time we stopped pretending it’s a legitimate argument.
Attempting to acknowledge “both sides” when one side has a crackpot argument is dangerous to our country.
It’s not guns. Our society is totally immoral. In the last twenty or so years a lot has changed. But guns have not. So the only variable that has changed is our culture and societal views/norms. We no longer value human life, there is violence in music and movies…
Many people are old enough to remember when switchblade knives, zipguns and 6-shooters were the dangerous weapons of choice. Tools matter. And we’ve allowed ever-cheaper, ever-better, ever-faster, ever-higher capacity guns to be readily available.
It is silly to argue that “nothing has changed except society.” Actually, the widespread availability of cheap, effective, high speed, high capacity weapons mass marketed to the general public is a new thing since the mid-1980’s. Neither criminals nor the police had these high-capacity weapons readily available in the 1970’s to 1980’s.
Meanwhile, society and culture has improved with dramatically less violence. Except for shootings, which are the direct result of mass marketing the tools for that type of crime.
Obviously, evil, hate, and other bad things are factors too. Of course they are. But those things exist in every country inhabited by human beings. The variable is that we have quite recently (in the last 25-30 years) allowed a mass marketing of tools that essentially every other country has outlawed. We bear the consequences of that decision.
And by the way, our movies and music are all widely consumed in other countries that do not have mass shootings.
Guns have always been available. High-capacity guns (like machine guns) have been available since before the 1950s. But mass shootings are increasing. That’s proof society is more evil now.
You’re being insincere if you argue that because machine guns “existed” by the first half of the 20th century that their “existence” is the same thing as high capacity guns that are “cheap and readily available to a mass market.”
Every country with humans in it has anger, hate, and evil people. The reason we have wildly higher levels of gun violence is our widespread gun culture and wide availability of guns, including assault weapons. Not because Americans are uniquely evil, angry, hateful, or mentally ill. Those problems exist everywhere.
We need to arm more people. The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun.
Let’s stop pretending that things have to remain the way they are and no changes are needed or possible! And that a separate “criminal or insane” class of people (who somehow don’t exist in other countries) commit all these terrible crimes in the U.S..
This thing where gun owners say, “Nothing will completely fix the problem, so oh well, we simply have to allow the slaughter of our children, because: 2nd Amendment.” That’s over. We’re done listening to gun owners repeat bumper sticker slogans instead of demanding common sense action.
Maybe as a gun owner you can get your act together fast, ditch the NRA, and make all gun sales go through a background check, fully fund all government agencies to ensure the database is complete, enact laws which make gun owners 100% responsible for what happens with their gun, and other obvious things most gun owners support. But I think it may be too late for these smaller reforms.
My belief is that it is just a question of time before there are enough votes for a constitutional amendment eliminating guns. I think gun owners are too blind to see it coming. No one was coming for your guns. But at this point many people are, and the guns will be taken with votes.
How would a gun ban even work?
You’d have to ask a lawyer, but here are two possible routes I’ve seen discussed: Constitutional Amendment, or Court Ruling acknowledging that the word ‘militia’ is limiting and does not grant the broad rights now claimed.
I think the amendment is not as out of reach as many think, if enough pieces fall in place such as:
– Endless continued massacres — especially of children, when ‘do nothing’ is the only thing offered by the gun lobby, and gun owners don’t work to make those regulations that are supported by a majority of Americans happen.
– A reversal legislatively or otherwise of Citizens United, and legislation largely neutering all lobbyists such as the NRA, who buy off politicians of both parties.
– A backlash of bumper sticker level response to all American’s problems, and movement towards a ‘we can’ from current ‘do nothing’ approach to policy.
– The inevitable pendulum swing.
– The continued technological advances in security and crime prevention.
– A big bang event.
It’s amazing to look at the absolutely unbelievable things that have happened in the last 20 years, things no one could have predicted or expected. New technology. Innovation. The thought that giving things away for free would somehow become the function of much of capitalism (as continues to occur on the internet, including here on Medium), would have seemed unbelievable.
I think people assume that guns are here to stay forever. And they will wake up one day and freak out and wonder what happened. What happened is gun owners failed to take any responsibility for safety and reason. And those of us who don’t have any use for guns will have no sympathy when you lose them.
I’d like to see you try to take my guns. You and what army?
If a gun ban becomes a law, and you choose not to be a law-abiding citizen, then it would follow you’ll need to face the associated consequences, like any other criminal. But if you’re picturing a bold stand-off at your doorway, where you defend yourself with a stash of guns, that sounds like a sad fantasy.
Social pressure would work well here, similar to how it functioned with smoking bans. Grandpa says, “I won’t give up my guns.” Grandkid says, “Grandpa, I don’t want to come to your house because guns are illegal and I’m afraid they’re going to take you to jail. And houses with guns are less safe.” Suddenly, Grandpa decides he can give up his guns.
Or perhaps the bank accounts of citizens who don’t want to give up their guns could be frozen until they have a change of heart.
Those of us without a horse in the race are pretty fed up with the weak excuses against the most basic regulations. And we are growing in number. And we know one solution that will absolutely reduce gun violence: A complete gun ban.
So if gun owners can’t come up with something, then don’t be surprised when the right to bear arms is lost all together. Stranger things have happened in my lifetime, and yours.
Obviously, I could be wrong. But I predict America will simply remove guns from society like so many other civilized countries have successfully done. And gun owners will have no one to blame but themselves.
It’s too late. You’ve lost your guns. A gun ban is inevitable.
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I’d love to hear your thoughts. Have you felt a change in your viewpoint on guns since the long discussion we had in October? If you’re a gun owner, does this conversation stress you out? Or are you sort of “meh” about the guns you own and could easily give them up? What do you think of the idea of responsible gun ownership? How would you define it? And would you be supportive if your definition of responsible gun ownership was made a law that was required of all gun owners?









anonymous this time
February 19, 2018 at 1:12 amThe idea of hoarding technically illegal (unregistered, etc.) firearms has been happening for years and seems to be escalating with every threat to restrict or control the sales.
People like my b-i-l who began hoarding not only legal, but high power illegal weaponry of all sorts, military, Russian, you name it, years ago, and has them piled up in RV storage sheds in two different states (that we know of) because he is sure as shootin’ positive the government (or someone) is going to take over some day, a drone war is coming, the electromagnetic pulse disturbance, whatever, so yes, he’s prepared up the wazoo.
Other more rational people I know began secretly purchasing their personal armories through gun shows or other means to get in their fair share of guns (everything from 22s to what look to me to be ‘elephant guns’, AK-47, assault rifles, and plenty of ammunition, again because they believe the day will come when the government (or someone) will come knocking and demand they give up all their rifles…so the answer is to have one or two ‘registered legal’ ones to give up in a mock ‘protest’, and five or six no one knows they have buried in the basement –so they can defend themselves against any and all intruders and remain safe and feeling secure and so they can feed themselves in an emergency.
In my circles I would guess 99% of the people/families *I* personally know began their hoarding of non registered weapons and ammo right after Columbine, and every time their is a threat made to “control” or “ban” or “like we have said for years – the libs coming for our guns!” – they run out and score a few more. Literally *everyone* mentioned here claims to be an “enthusiast” and a hunter who actually eats what they kill (although I have never seen anyone roast anything that didn’t come from the local market). They all claim their number one reason for purchasing guns is protecting their families and food. They take a lot of pride in their gun ownership and their understanding of their constitutional rights.
Personally, I have enough stress in my life without worrying about the zombie apocalypse, so alas, no guns at our house.
Design Mom
February 19, 2018 at 8:44 amYeah. The idea of “prepping for the zombie apocalpyse” is always so hard for me to comprehend. So the whole country (or whole world) will be destroyed, but they’re going to defend themselves with their secret stash of guns and survive. And then what? What happens after that? What are they picturing?
As someone who has familiar knowledge with mental illness, I hear about people and their gun stashes and think: this person is not stable and is dealing with some heavy duty paranoia. Wanting to own a secret stash of guns seems like a big red flag that you are not healthy enough to own guns responsibly at all.
I’m also thinking about your first line: “seems to be escalating with every threat to restrict or control the sales.” The thing is, there has never been a serious threat to restrict or control the sales. It has always just been in their heads. A perceived threat, publicized by the NRA. So they’ve been stockpiling guns for imaginary reasons.
But now, that could be changing. And if they’ve ever told anyone about their stash (like your friends told you), then it’s not actually a secret stash.
Charles Ufarley
February 19, 2018 at 2:07 pm[ Removed by Design Mom ]
Katie
February 19, 2018 at 6:58 pmGabby, can we please delete this ridiculous diatribe from “Charles Ufarley”? An argument that makes illogical leaps and jumps (in lecture form of course) in order to get what he wants, without addressing any actual, specific concerns coming from the other side–this is why people are losing their patience with trying to be reasonable. Escalating a debate to irrational heights to simply “win” a point is not how the world should be run. We should be able to discuss problems, come at a solution from many sides, find a compromise somewhere in the middle that is reached democratically.
LD
February 19, 2018 at 7:41 pmYES, I second Katie! Good grief.
Design Mom
February 19, 2018 at 7:57 pmYes. Deleted. And my apologies. We were driving back from San Diego today and I was trying to keep up with comments but did a poor job of it. I just went through and got rid of most of the ones from random men who don’t actually read here ever, and clearly didn’t read the blog post. I kept a few where Design Mom readers had responded, but hopefully the worst stuff is gone.
I normally don’t need to monitor the comments this closely, but I’m guessing this post was shared somewhere my posts aren’t usually shared, and it’s bringing out a lot of people that shouldn’t be commenting here. Again, sorry about that.
Jared Goff
February 24, 2018 at 5:35 pmLet me make this completely clear.
You are taking our own life into risk here. If a ban is placed, a civil war will erupt between conservatives and the left. It will be worse then the first civil war by the amount of division it will cause. The problem is that only the right has guns. So if you try this, people will hunt you guys for trying to take their rights away.
Design Mom
February 25, 2018 at 12:06 amOh good lord.
Teisi
February 19, 2018 at 1:34 amWow. That’s really interesting. I am born, raised and still living in Germany and wondered about U.S. laws regarding weapons ever since I first heard of them.
As a mother, I just couldn’t live without constant worry had every random person legally access to weapons and would be allowed to carry them around as they please. I just can’t wrap my head around the why anyone would believe that could make a country more safe!
I firmly believe many of those mass shootings in schools would not have happened if there were certain laws in the U.S.
But you’ll never be able to control illegal weapons. Not even here in western Europe, where every country has strict laws regulating weapon ownership since decades ago! Criminal persons have always found (and will find) their way around laws, for sure.
But please take a look sideways, learn a few things from foreign countries and finally install government controlled common sense- and by that I’m talking proper storage and central weapon registration for a start.
That’s not going to be easy what with all the testosterone involved. But it’s doable and will not make your country a bit more corrupt than it might already be.
No offense intended in any of my words!
B
February 19, 2018 at 5:07 amThank you for putting this post together. I absolutely agree that all guns should be banned and I’m over people thinking I’m crazy or out of touch with reality for saying that. I’ve started researching moving to another country with more earnest, just because I’m terrified of working in a school and sending my daughter to school. How is that ok? I hope democrats support and vote for politicians who have the courage to support a complete ban on guns.
Design Mom
February 19, 2018 at 8:47 amI hope republicans do too. Because this issue — wanting to deal with the gun issue in our country — has wide bi-partisan support.
Dean Minor
November 7, 2019 at 1:42 amYour so stupid,
M
February 19, 2018 at 6:19 amSo interesting. I “agree” with the banning guns arguments. I never have owned guns and don’t plan to do so. However, I wonder if the banning gun argument really is part of the reason why the pro-gun supporters are SO WORRIED about the slippery slope of getting to a “no gun” place that All of the more moderates who are at the very least proponents of common sense gun laws (which I’d say seems to be a vast majority of people on both sides of the political spectrum!) aren’t able to make any traction towards those goals at all. It reminds me of the dilemma President Obama discussed/debated with Coates about- how much of your passion/conviction must you give up in a way in the name of practicality in just getting the very first steps towards something better actually accomplished towards that bigger goal? That’s the place where I just can’t see the gun ban arguments being effective. Not wrong, but do we first need to give more energy to what can first be accomplished? I don’t know the answer, but it’s something my husband and I have been discussing a lot!
Design Mom
February 19, 2018 at 8:52 amI hear you. And if gun owners step up and demand reasonable reforms, that would be awesome!! But they haven’t. It’s always been in their best interest to do so, but they haven’t been willing to. Is it too late now? I don’t know. Will they demand reasonable reforms? Will they reject the NRA? I guess we’ll find out.
Nathan J.
June 21, 2018 at 9:13 amAs a 17-year old with a FOID, I genuinely believe that there needs to be a proof of safety before someone can get a FOID, by passing a practical test and a written test. I got my FOID recently because I have been using firearms since I was 8 (starting with a shotgun) and I understand firearm laws and take caution with safety. Now, getting a firearm should be easier for people who already have a FOID, but the standards for getting a FOID do need to be raised significantly. It can’t just be “well, he has a clean record so let’s give him a FOID”. There should be tests that need to be passed in order to prove that anyone with a FOID is able to safely operate both types of firearms (semi-automatic and single-shot) and properly store them in order to immediately stop anyone who could pose a potential threat. The FOID should also have to be renewed every 5 years to ensure that people are not forgetting how to safely operate and store firearms. However, I also feel that the restrictions on the types of firearms (fully-automatic, selective fire, etc.) and their accessories (suppressors, pistol grips on semi-automatic shotguns, types of ammunition, etc.) should be lifted to these people. If someone proves that he or she does not and will not pose a threat, and prove this on a periodical basis, then the type of firearm that he or she owns and operates does not matter to safety (0 gun crimes multiplied by any amount of a more powerful gun still equates to 0 gun crimes). Heck, these firearms could still be taxed and the money could help fund the police.
Feel free to respond; I’d be more than glad to have a civil conversation with anyone about my concepts or other aspects of the gun world.
Darcy
February 19, 2018 at 7:05 amI wish I saw more of the social trend you describe, in which long-term advocates of gun rights begin to advocate for much stricter gun control, among my acquaintances. So far, I am seeing a lot of grief and anger, but no real shifts in position, any more than after Sandy Hook.
One thing that has been on my mind is that Americans are so reluctant to learn, so self-harmingly opposed to learning, from the examples and policies of other countries, even those of countries like Canada and Australia that are broadly similar to the U.S. We don’t have to have so much gun violence in this country; other nations have largely solved the problem of mass shootings, and I think we could greatly our own traumatic experience of them by learning from the examples set by other large democracies. But Americans’ sense of exceptionalism is preventing us from doing that.
Design Mom
February 19, 2018 at 8:55 am“But Americans’ sense of exceptionalism is preventing us from doing that.”
Yep. I think you’re right. We’ve got to overcome that. And we can.
As for not seeing shifts in your friends, if you’re in the mood, feel free to share this post and see how they respond. I’ve been surprised how many people are saying, “I’ve switched my stance too” when someone posts something about a full ban.
Rachel
February 19, 2018 at 9:35 amI am in Florida, and many of my friends are posting the “our society needs to change” stuff. My sister and her friend are posting calls for relatively mild gun control laws and their pro-gun friends’ reactions are pretty resistant to change. (This is shocking to me, because they are in their early 20s and their generation came of age after Columbine.). All of the above is to illustrate just how conservative the northern Gulf Coast area really is. I know that any posts I share are ignored by my conservative friends, and when I engage them on their posts, I open myself up to a potential argument with many people – friends of theirs, who are strangers to me.
K
February 19, 2018 at 2:13 pmMy sister, now an american Citizen, is a preschool teacher and very anti-gun and has posted facebook posts too that garner a lot of push-back. But when I ask her what she is DOING she has no good answer. She fights harder to make her white Utah suburban community have fewer cars on the street (visual pollution?) than she does for this. She insists her delegates don’t take calls anymore (is that allowed?), she said the school does shooter drills and is really seriously considering installing deadbolts and I’m rolling my eyes! I asked her if she would participate in a walk out after having thoughtful discussion with the other teachers and parents to see what they can bring forth – she said she “couldn’t politicize the children that way”. A lot of stereotypically democrats are FUMING and FURIOUS and bring up convsersation…. but really how mad are you if all you do is post on facebook? You’re not changing gun-owners minds. You have to do the work yourself. Don’t rely on other people coming to their senses, don’t try and change minds and hope that works out. RIGHT NOW (literally) prioritize the ten minutes it takes to call or write. Take the 20 minute at school to walk out (and if you’re a white lady in the suburbs with the support of your fellow teachers and a strong handful of parents then you’re not really risking too much, and it is your literal priviledge to do so), do everything in your power to save your child or someone elses. If someone told me today “you can keep your job, or you can risk it and ensure one child doesn’t get shot sometime in the next five years, garaunteed ” I would leave my job. I AM asking people (especially politicians) to risk their jobs to save lives – I would hope it wouldn’t come to that, but if it does, be willing to save a child’s life. Take this VERY personally and imagine what you would do if someone said to you “I will kill someone’s child unless you ______(participate in a nationwide walkout/email or call your representative every single day/vote for the lesser of two evils/etc)_____” and then DO THAT THING before its too late. Make it your responsibility as an anti-gun person, not the responsibility of the gun-owners. Politicize the children if it saves their lives….they won’t mind.
Gail
February 19, 2018 at 7:06 amWe do have hunters in our family and we do eat the meat they harvest. My father, my husband, my brothers and my son, my nephews and my brother in laws. It s a sacred tradition on our family..the hunt…the harvest…the bonding. The shared loved of nature, the respect for both the animals, and the hunt.
I believe in stricter gun control, yearly background checks. closing loopholes. But I love that the men in my life are hunters and I would never want to take that away from them.
BJ
February 19, 2018 at 7:20 amFor the sake of a family member who is a cop in a major city who deals with the threat of guns being present all the time, I am hoping something changes soon. For the sake of the community violence prevention activists I know who are working so hard against a system where the city has stricter regulations that are rendered basically meaningless because the guns flow in from other states with flimsy restrictions, and for all of those suffering from neighborhood trauma and violence for years before school shootings became a thing in a nation-wide sense, I hope something changes soon. Much like the opiod epidemic sweeping over past heroin epidemic casualties, it would be good to remember that some poor communities have been begging for restrictions like this for a very very long time. It’s past the time where we should have listened.
Design Mom
February 19, 2018 at 8:58 amI don’t think a gun ban would mean no more hunting. I mean, my kids love to ice skate, but we don’t own ice skates. It’s very possible to figure out a way for people to enjoy a gun range, or clay shooting, or hunting, without owning guns personally. We’re capable of nuance in our laws.
Joshua
February 19, 2018 at 2:13 pmTotally agree with that! It’s totally possible to hunt and not own guns.
And I really find confusing to read about hunters talking about their” love for animals” as in their love for killing animals… I can understand that some hunters do their best to cause the least suffering possible, but it still sounds surreal to me. In my family, there are some hunters, but I can’t conceive of killing a living sentient being just for the practice, for tradition, or for the “bonding” experience with others, or for the love for nature…even if you eat it afterward. For me, it sounds as if someone said: ” I love kittens, I have the deepest love for nature, that’s why I kill kittens shooting straight there where it will hurt less…” Doesn’t it sound crazy? I really mean no offense by that to hunters, I just don’t understand it.
Ashley Robinson
February 19, 2018 at 2:14 pmIn everything I’ve been reading on the internet, I hadn’t come across the idea of hunting (or clay shooting, etc.) without owning guns. What a fantastic idea. Thanks for your continued bravery in discussing this issue, Gabrielle! #takealltheguns
Suzie
February 21, 2018 at 6:03 pmMy husband (who owns guns) has proposed the idea of having an ‘armory’ where you can rent (reasonable) guns after you have a membership which requires a background check, gun safety training, etc. This would allow actual militias as well as hunters and sport shooters to have access to guns without needing them in the home. You could even surrender your guns to the local armory instead of to ‘big brother’ in the case of a nation-wide gun ban, so you could have access to guns that have sentimental value (like my husband’s gun that was given to him by his late father).
Design Mom
February 22, 2018 at 12:30 amI LOVE that idea.
Liss
February 22, 2018 at 10:45 amSuzie, yep, that’s how it works at military bases!
Jennie
February 19, 2018 at 7:43 amMy husband owns guns. He also regularly practices his skills at work (military) and on his own at the gun range. Hes comfortable handling guns. He’s a responsible gun owner. We’ve spent a pretty penny on the safest gun cabinet we could find to keep our kids and their friends from having access. He is a concealed carrier and honestly it gives me peace of mind being with him when we’re in public spaces. He’s tried to teach me, he’s taken me to the shooting range and I’ve taken classes on my own–it blows my mind that I can walk in to a range with his gun that he’s registered for without him with me and no one bats an eye. I teach secondary ed. I’m frequently afraid at backlash when I correct behavioral issues. However, I am not confident nor comfortable with a gun. I cannot imagine taking one into my classroom. I support responsible owners, like my husband, owning guns- in fact I appreciate it as law enforcement cannot be everywhere.
Design Mom
February 19, 2018 at 8:59 amI hear you. How would your husband (or you) define “responsible gun ownership?” And if the definition became a legal requirement (not something he just did voluntarily), would he be okay with that?
I’m not asking to be obnoxious, it’s just that everyone I know who owns a gun considers themselves to be a responsible gun owner, but they all approach gun storage and gun safety very differently.
Megan
February 20, 2018 at 6:32 amMany, many years ago Oprah did a show on responsible gun owning parents. All of them, and there were a lot, considered there guns well locked up and the keys well hidden somewhere else. They all were certain that there children were safe and had no idea how to access their guns or ammunition. They videotaped the kids and the parents were shocked and flabbergasted as they watched the footage. Most of those children, and some were very young, perhaps as young as 5 or 6, knew exactly how to get at those guns, where keys were and where ammunition was and how to access it. It was chilling to watch. I am not sure how having a gun in a house with children is responsible. And if those guns are locked up so safely are they’d really helpful for “self defence” as Americans go on about?
I live in Canada, we still have gun violence. Every few days I hear about a shooting in Ottawa. A teenager did bring a gun to my daughter’s school, although it never made it inside and he apprehended. I want better gun laws here too!
But I do know as Canadians we shake our heads when we hear about another school shooting in the States and then hear about how important the right to bear guns is.
It is refreshing to read your column and the comments to hear that not all Americans support that right.
Thanks for the discussion.
C
February 20, 2018 at 8:27 amYour story of a “responsible gun owner” giving his gun to a person “not confident or comfortable with a gun” to use when he’s not there, exactly illustrates what Gabbie is saying.
You can’t just self-proclaim it and it’s true. There has to be some sort of legal standard that you agree to.
Ahcrap
March 23, 2019 at 6:47 amC – She didn’t say her husband gives his gun to a person who is not confident or comfortable with a gun when he is not there. She said it blows her mind that she could do that and no one would bat an eyelid. Emphasis on the word could.
Kelley
February 19, 2018 at 8:28 amI get sick just thinking about this issue, and the utter lack of action that has been taken. When most things prove to be a danger, the government has a long history of enacting laws and approving devices that help keep us all safer. Cars for instance, have airbags and seatbelts, there are speeds limits that control how wildly we can drive, and laws against drinking and cellphone usage behind the wheel. Cribs can no longer have sides that drop, medicine bottles have impossible to open safety caps, and we have fire and CO alarms for our homes. But it is not so hard to buy, own, or wield a gun . . . any gun. And maybe that’s what I find most disturbing. Rifles can be used for hunting, as could a hand-gun (but, let’s face it, that’s more for self-defense), but who on earth “needs” a machine gun? Who on earth needs the insane weapons that can be bought in pieces at a gun show (free of background checks) and easily reconstructed at home? Yes, there is more to this story than guns alone, but they are a key element. The fact that no one has stepped up, after 18 incidents in this year alone, and spoken up for any measure is despicable.
Design Mom
February 19, 2018 at 9:03 amYep. Denying that ease of gun accessibility is a huge part of the problem is totally despicable.
JL Hohn
April 17, 2018 at 11:18 amThe evidence, then, is “despicable” because the evidence supports exact the conclusion that gun accessibility is not a part of the problem at all.
Every day literally millions of Americans have access to tens of millions of firearms. If access alone is even a small part of the problem– never mind a “huge” part– then the rate of gun-related violence should roughly correlate to the number of guns (i.e. access to firearms) when comparing one country to another.
But it doesn’t. Indeed, the USA has something like HALF of all the civlilan-owned firearms on the planet (according to CNN), a mind-boggling concentration of guns in one country. The rate of gun ubiquity is nearly twice as high as the 3rd highest country.
Yet the USA has nowhere near half of the world’s gun-related violence. Not even close. Nor does it rank #1 (or even top ten) on the per-100K rates of any violent crimes or suicides. NPR reported that the USA actually ranks 31st in rate of gun-related violence.
So the Pareto Principle drives a startling conclusion: the safest place a gun could be located is in the USA. No other country has a lower rate of gun-crimes per gun. Stated differently, no other country has a lower percentage of guns used in gun violence. And it’s not a small margin, either.
If one wanted to indulge the fallacy that correlation (of gun ubiquity to gun crime) is causation (of gun violence), then the data strongly suggests that the soundest way to reduce the global amount of gun violence is to round up every gun on the planet and ship it to the USA.
So the data are absolutely conclusive that access to a firearm is NOT a huge part of the problem. OR even a part of it at all, because the people with the most access are a tiny part (if any) of the problem.
Jessy
February 19, 2018 at 8:37 amExcellent post with a balanced point of view.
Trev Jones
February 19, 2018 at 10:05 amI would begin by noting that the “Gun Show Loophole” is only applicable to private sellers. The gun show held in a hotel convention centre, or similar venue, would likely be limited to industry representatives / Federal Firearms Licence (FFL) holders, who must perform a background check for any sales, whether at a show or at a retail location. The local “swap meet” gun show at a fairgrounds, etc., would be primarily attended by private sellers, who wouldn’t need to do a background check on another resident of the same state, but any dealers would need to do one. A limited number of states require private sales submit to a background check, or be brokered by an FFL (often state licenced in such locations); this is something that could be expanded.
It might be possible for a subsequent SCOTUS to overrule District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (and McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 742, Moore v Madigan, 7th Cir. 12-1269, 12-1788, etc.) but repealing The Second Amendment seems very unlikely. The rural states where there are few gun laws (where most gun deaths are suicide or hunting accidents, not murder, but the rate per 100,000 is skewed by small populations), there will not be popular support for repeal. If Alaska, Wyoming, Idaho, Utah, Montana, North and South Dakota, Oklahoma, Kansas, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine and Tennessee oppose, the 75%, or 38/50 state requirement will not be met, despite Congressional approval and every other state (unlikely).
I’m not sure how you would come for the guns, when few records of ownership exist, other than in California, New York, New Jersey, and a couple of other states. Perhaps the ATF would be given the resources to generate ownership lists from paper form 4473 records, but such firearms would be frequently reported as privately sold, stolen, or destroyed.
One might wonder at the willingness of law enforcement or the military to engage civilian militias, given the roughly 100 million gun owners, verses some 2 million soldiers. The US military could employ destructive means, but that would destroy infrastructure.
Things need to improve, but your prediction will only confirm for some what they have always known.
Design Mom
February 19, 2018 at 12:33 pm“I’m not sure how you would come for the guns”
If citizens want to remain law-abiding, they will hand in their guns of their own free-will. Or, they can hide their guns and risk legal consequences. What should the consequences be?
“your prediction will only confirm for some what they have always known”
You mean: my prediction will confirm for some what they have always been paranoid about, but has never come close to happening in any way shape or form.
And please don’t respond. I detest when men who don’t read Design Mom come here and lecture this community of incredibly smart, well-educated women.
Babaganoosh
February 21, 2019 at 5:23 pm“And please don’t respond. I detest when men who don’t read Design Mom come here and lecture this community of incredibly smart, well-educated women”
The number of men inserting themselves in the comments really is disturbing. Especially when they have nothing new to add to the conversation.
I wonder if all these gun-obsessed men know that this post is really old and that none of the Design Mom readers are actually reading the new comments.
Jim F
February 20, 2018 at 2:59 amI’m currently a PI, but am a retired police officer/sniper, criminal justice teacher and GED instructor to maximum security inmates. I have a son that’s active-duty military, a son going to school on the GI Bill, and daughter with a degree in land resource management. I have college degrees in Administration of Justice, Correctional Science, and a Master’s in Education.
Something I’ve always been a proponent of – requiring gun sales to people 18-25 (when brains are still developing) to get a sponsor. For someone under 25 to buy a gun, I think they should have to find two people over 30 willing to notarize a form stating they know the young man buying this firearm and believe him to be a person of sound moral judgment (something along those lines). Whenever these shootings happen people that knew the shooter usually are rarely surprised. I doubt many school shooters could have convinced two people to sponsor them to legally buy a gun… and if a young person of questionable character starts asking, it gives a potential warning to adults around him.
Ann
February 19, 2018 at 10:11 amI’ve always pictured a gun ban looking like this in the United States.
It would be so great. No more violence. Just peace and trees.
Anne
February 19, 2018 at 10:12 amThank you thank you thank you for this. The NRA’s biggest flaw is that they thought they could turn the generation they used as target practice into voters and buyers of their BS. The tipping point is here, and I’m team take all the guns away.
Design Mom
February 19, 2018 at 12:39 pm“the generation they used as target practice”
Woah. So well put. Ooof.
Amy
February 19, 2018 at 10:33 amI think your post has a lot of valid, intelligent and thoughtful points. However, when you put things like ‘duh’ in the post, which is unnecessary and patronizing, you limit your scope. I assume your voice isn’t only for the people who agree with you (and would thereby appreciate a well-placed ‘duh’) but also for persons who are on the fence, debating internally where they stand and seriously considering so many of the points you raise. Labeling arguments as ‘silly’ or ‘baseless’ doesn’t take into consideration the perspective of those arguments and the experiences of the persons making them. Again, I’m not debating your points or disagreeing (or agreeing) with them. I’m suggesting that the debate/discussion/analysis take an inclusive, intelligent and thoughtful tone rather than a scoffing of others’ ideas and opinions. Finally, I lived for 2 years in a country with zero guns. I was once in a traffic altercation and the two taxi drivers got out of the cars and began arguing. I immediately became agitated, and then I realized that the worst that could happen would be a fist-fight or knife-fight (very worst), and just the thought that the escalation was limited made me stop and think (hard) about the gun laws in my own country and my beliefs and feelings regarding them. I never, in that traffic altercation, worried that someone would die. I think about that often as I navigate this conversation. Thanks for a thought-provoking post.
Design Mom
February 19, 2018 at 12:46 pmYou might prefer this discussion, where I treat gun-owners with kid gloves, instead.
But on this post, I think I should have actually added more emotion — both sadness and anger. Piles of dead children should evoke an emotional reaction. People should feel super emotional about this. People should be ANGRY at do-nothing gun owners who claim to be responsible. People should be ANGRY at NRA supporters. Gun owners should be very worried that the tide has changed and that they’ve lost support. Parents with young kids who have guns in the house should be worried they will be ostracized; that people will consider their homes unsafe and a place to avoid.
Jacob
February 21, 2019 at 10:07 amDon’t be surprised when there is anger coming at you. Gun owners are sensitive souls and easily triggered. They are terrified by what you’ve written here.
Troy
February 19, 2018 at 10:42 amLet’s say guns were completely eliminated. I’m not just talking about just making them illegal, but if somehow every single gun in the world magically disappeared from Earth.
Would school massacres stop? To find out, we need to go back to the worst school massacre in US history. Would that be Sandy Hook with 27 killed and 2 injured?
Unfortunately, Virginia Tech in 2007 was worse, with 32 killed and 17 injured.
However, even Virginia Tech pales in comparison to the Bath School Disaster, committed by Andrew Kehoe. He killed 44 people, including 38 elementary students, and injured 58. This was in 1929. Why don’t you hear about this more often? Because he didn’t use a gun, so it doesn’t fit the anti gun agenda. He blew the school up using explosives that were easily available to him. It would have been even worse, but many of his explosives didn’t go off.
Eliminating guns won’t stop the killing. Guns are the weapon of choice not because they kill the most people (they don’t), but because they’re easy and “sexy.” Eliminate guns, and people will still find a way to kill large numbers of people.
Instead of banning guns, we should be looking at ways to identify these people before they strike. We should be looking at ways of defending our schools when the inevitable attack occurs despite our best efforts to stop them.
Jeanne
February 19, 2018 at 11:35 amQuite simply, it’s much harder to build explosives, plant them and time them to go off cleanly. Takes education and lots of technical things can go wrong. Even terrorists are pretty much experts at this genre and most of their attempts have performance issues. But wait! There are knives! Stabbing a person takes so much more effort. You have commit the atrocity with one’s hands and feel the impact on flesh. Even then, stabbers don’t usually kill 30 people with one knife.
Let’s be real, no one is naïve enough to believe that eliminating guns will stop all violence. But your argument of identifying those with mental illness is wrought with impossibilities. How are we supposed to identify every single human with anger management issues, revenge glorification, power jealousy, quiet victim rage, paranoid fear? I bet you can think of a handful of acquaintances who might fall in these categories. Or maybe the gun owners are just fine but wait a second, they have a brooding, angry teen male at home. Are YOU going to be the one to report them and knock on their door and take away their guns? I bet not. It’s easier to simply say…that’s not my job. And I’m not even going to get into the costs of institutionalizing everyone that’s a potential risk.
The issue you’re not mentioning is that it’s too easy to simply pull on trigger and spray hundreds of bullets in seconds. (Who needs that ability? Why do gun owners sidestep this question?) You don’t even need to stop and reload a shotgun. You don’t even need to aim! Anyone can do it. Anyone. I could do it tomorrow if I felt like it and there is absolutely no one who could….or is willing…to stop me.
Emalee
February 19, 2018 at 2:28 pm“Do something useful and go learn about the clitoris.” I bow to you, Gabby.
Emalee
Ellie
February 20, 2018 at 6:08 pmHIlarious. You just made my night, Gabby.
Design Mom
February 19, 2018 at 12:52 pmUgh. I write about guns and suddenly random men show up to lecture the brilliant women who read here. How about while you’re here you do something useful and go learn about the clitoris. Did you know it’s about the same size as a penis and has twice as many nerve endings?
Regarding your comment, nowhere in the article is it argued that banning guns will eradicate evil and murder from the earth. Go ahead and cling to your blame-mental-health stance. The more you cling to it, and refuse to do anything that could actually help, the faster the ban will come.
Megan
February 21, 2018 at 10:52 amGo, Gabby! :)
Sally
February 19, 2018 at 11:13 amI’m sorry but I it’s this “All or Nothing Attitude” that is the reason there is nothing getting done about this issue. Both sides are so polarized and deeply entrenched, but if you look at it both would agree they just want the safety of our kids to be top priority. I have friends and family on both sides of the issue and all would agree that they don’t want anymore children to die. If one side is saying we want to get rid of ALL the guns and the other side is saying they can’t take MY guns, there will never be a resolution and things will never change. I wish we could get both sides as well as those that could speak for mental health problems, the effects of the glorification of violence in media/Hollywood/games, and whatever else that people say or have proven to have an effect on violence around a big table and hash out an agreement. Until something like that happens, I don’t have hope for a resolution of any sorts.
For the record I am camped in the middle where I believe in the right to bear arms (I have family and friends that hunt and work in the military and law enforcement), however, I do not think that all guns should be given the same treatment and that some should be banned and that there should be different requirements for owning certain types of guns. I also think that taking away guns will not stop people from doing things that inflict mass harm. On the same day as the shooting in FL we had a student at a local high school throw an “unidentified homemade solution” on people in the school library because he was upset about something. 2 people ended up in the hospital with severe injuries. Granted guns inflict harm to more people quickly, but people that have their mind set on inflicting harm will find a way and something like that incident could have easily been a little more thought out and done greater harm.
In the elementary school I work in, they have a character program that has “Think Win Win” as one of the facets. Win Win is a solution where both parties are heard, understood and the resolution is something that both sides agree on and both are happy with. I really think all sides need to come together and work on a Win Win solution instead of camping at the extreme opposite sides and accepting only absolutes.
Design Mom
February 19, 2018 at 12:56 pmYou wrote: “I’m sorry but I it’s this “All or Nothing Attitude” that is the reason there is nothing getting done about this issue.”
I find that maddening, because this is literally the first time I’ve heard people call for a full ban. Up till now, very small, sensible reforms have been asked for. But gun-owners haven’t been willing to budget an inch.
Today’s call for a gun ban has nothing to do with why progress on this issue has not been made. In fact, you writing that makes me think you haven’t had time to actually read the article.
Sally
February 19, 2018 at 2:09 pmI did read the article and I agree with some of it. My response is more to the attitudes I’ve seen from both sides in the past couple of days. I’ve seen just as many posts similar in passion and determination in the call to keep the second amendment as I have for banning all guns. This deep entrenchment from 2 very passionate sides demanding absolutes is what has me worried that nothing will get done. And up until now the little concessions have had more to do with the political pendulum swinging left and right than both sides sitting down at a table and talking about the welfare of our kids and coming to a solution. Until that happens I don’t see anything happening that will make a difference and as someone that sits in the middle of the absolutes on this issue I find that disheartening.
K
February 19, 2018 at 2:25 pmAre there additional scenarios I’m missing from this brainstorm?
1. 50% of Americans want guns and 50% don’t guns and they all vote and it’s an even split and so there’s no solution.
2. Most Americans want guns so they outnumber the ones who don’t want guns so the ones with all the guns “win”.
3. The Americans who want no guns outnumber the ones who want guns but they aren’t working hard enough, voting in enough numbers, or being loud enough to “win”.
4. The NRA is the leading political party and you live in a dictatorship.
Christine
February 19, 2018 at 12:02 pmI’m calling for a constitutional amendment to ban guns. Period. No more second amendment rights to be argued. Crazy? That’s what was said about women’s voting rights. We can make this happen.
Design Mom
February 19, 2018 at 8:03 pmWE CAN DO IT!!
Silas McNichols
April 24, 2018 at 12:03 pmFine come take my guns, if you’re up to it. I can give you my address and you can come take them on one condition: You go through me (with my guns) first.
Design Mom
April 24, 2018 at 12:10 pmHahaha! You’ll give up your guns willingly when you’ve lost all your rights because you’re no longer a law-abiding citizen. If you don’t, you’ll be socially ostracized by your neighbors, friends and family. If you’re still holding on to your guns at that point, perhaps the local government will just cut you off from internet or wifi service. Just curious, how long do you think you will you last without access to pornhub?
Kimberly
February 19, 2018 at 12:12 pmCarrying an umbrella doesn’t prevent me from getting wet, but it certainly helps. If it’s pouring I’m not going to say “psht…why bother to bring an umbrella? It certainly won’t stop ALL of the raindrops from hitting me” and walk into the storm unprotected.
We regulate how food is stored and prepared, knowing we can never stop ALL incidents of food poisoning but we do it anyway.
Regulating gun ownership and use would not take away all events of mass harm, but wouldn’t it certainly help? Isn’t it worth the attempt anyway?
Joshua
February 19, 2018 at 2:20 pmVery good analogies!
J
February 19, 2018 at 12:50 pmWhat I also want to talk about (and hear what this community has to say about) is how young men get to the point of wanting to kill others en masse. What has happened in our society to result in this repeated horror? And how can we change it?
My sweet seven-year-old daughter asked me why anyone would want to “do” a mass shooting. I confessed that I have no idea. She said, “Why doesn’t anyone ask?”
Why don’t we know?! What studies are being done to find out about causes and solutions? We HAVE to learn from these tragedies in many ways.
I’m not negating the gun conversation at all — just asking another, completely different, question. Instead of (or in addition to) asking about taking away the guns, I’m asking about taking away the desire to kill, which I hope would be another way to stop the killing.
What do you think?
Joshua
February 19, 2018 at 2:32 pmI don’t have the answer either, but one thing that shocked me was reading that he had studied the last mass shootings to learn from other shooter’s mistakes… So there are kids studying (and romanticizing mass shootings) and thinking that this is a valid or important way to express their feelings, frustrations and maybe get their 15 minutes of fame…
Shelley
February 20, 2018 at 3:16 pmIt seems we have the NRA (yet again) to thank for why we haven’t learned more about the motives of mass shooters.
Meg
February 23, 2018 at 1:00 pmYou might want to check out Michael Ian Black’s NY Times op ed on this topic, J. It asks some similar questions.
Rachel
February 19, 2018 at 1:13 pmI hate that we have to continue these conversations every few weeks now. I was “meh” about gun ownership until the last two years. Now I want them gone. Thank you, DesignMom and others, for giving me words to express how I feel.
Sasha
February 19, 2018 at 2:38 pmIs this still a design blog, I am confused?
Design Mom
February 19, 2018 at 2:55 pmIt’s still a design and parenting blog as it always has been. Design. Mom. Kids are being murdered. That falls under parenting. Watch for a home tour tomorrow. That falls under design. Or just read somewhere else. (No need to leave an obnoxious comment.)
Sabrina
February 19, 2018 at 3:06 pmGood for you, Gabby! I just posted about this yesterday and paused before hitting publish wondering what kind of reaction I would get. But then I realized let the obnoxious come because we can no longer be silent. I will scream it from the rooftops until we save our children.
Anon
February 19, 2018 at 5:24 pmAn attempt at this would cause nothing short of a full scale civil war in which our military would be too small to fully participate. This is just as bad as any of the rubbish made by the fire eaters prior to the civil war. I have children I want to feed.
Design Mom
February 19, 2018 at 7:40 pmPerhaps, but since most Americans don’t own guns and have no need to own guns, and won’t fight for the right to own guns, I don’t think it will be as big an issue as you do. Despite what you might think, you are in the minority. Kiss your guns tonight. Hold them tenderly. The more you love on them, the sooner they’ll be gone.
anon
February 20, 2018 at 9:47 amIt is not I who would fight. I only have couple of hunting rifles and mostly hunt with a bow now. Such a move would affect me directly very little. I live in Idaho and almost everyone here has firearms and most of the people here would fight in order to keep them. If it came to a national law banning firearms in general most of the local law enforcement would also fight for the citizenry to keep them. I would wager you live in a urban or suburban area for you to hold the opinions you do as anyone living in a rural area knows that if such a law were passed it would be ignored if not enforced and fought tooth and nail with an attempt at enforcement. I would also wager that you wouldn’t understand the reason a lot of people here want guns. Some of the wildlife is big and can get very aggressive. I had a neighbor who had a bear enter his home this winter and he shot and killed it with one of his (bolt action) rifles. A large number of you city dwellers think it is right and just for you to legislate our lives out here in the country with no understanding of how we live and why we have the priorities we do. You may look at guns and say “we don’t need these and they are dangerous and I’m tired of worrying about my children” (a statistically invalid worry, be much more worried about cars and motor vehicle accidents for your children as they are many times more likely to kill them than a school shooter) whereas a mom here hears you saying “your children must be sacrificed for mine the next time a large dangerous animal thinks they look tasty/dangerous.”
Design Mom
February 20, 2018 at 10:05 amWhat would the consequences be for owning guns illegally? Would your friends in Idaho be willing to give up their privileges as citizens in order to own guns illegally? They’re willing to live as criminals? Lose the right to vote? To give up access to social services? To go to jail if caught? I doubt it.
Remember when laws were suggested that would ban smoking in restaurants? People predicted restaurants would close en masse. Remember how resistant people were to wearing seat belts, and using car seats for kids? It was predicted no one would conform and it would be impossible to enforce. But it turns out, when there are real benefits (less lung cancer from second hand smoke, less injuries from car wrecks) people are willing to obey the law.
If/when guns are banned, suicides alone will drop by 90% — which means it will save the lives of 20,000 people per year. Not sure if you know but there are 22,000 suicides each year. If the suicide is attempted with a gun, it’s almost always successful. But suicides attempted with non-gun methods fail 90% of the time. Just that is a big enough benefit that people will be totally fine to obey the law and remain a citizen in good-standing.
Arguing that statistically children are safe at school despite the epidemic of gun violence, but guns need to be legal because: bears, isn’t an argument that is going to help your cause.
Kelley
February 19, 2018 at 8:41 pmWhy on earth would it or should it cause a civil war when the majority of Americans support some level of reform or oversight? We are no longer colonists preserving our right to form militias, or pioneers existing in the wilds who must fend off wild animals and hunt for their food. American society has changed, as has the place of guns within most of our daily lives. The NRA has done a good job of making some Americans assume that outright conflict and division are all that will come from the tiniest regulation, but I think the opposite is true. Here’s hoping Congress shuts their wallets, opens they ears, and starts to feel the same.
Design Mom
February 19, 2018 at 8:49 pmAgreed. Less than 1/3 of Americans own guns. And if you look at all the guns in America, a full half are owned by 3% of the population.
To my mind, even wanting to own that many guns is a red flag that you probably shouldn’t own a gun at all. Thinking you need to own lots of guns definitely feels like a form of mental illness to me (and that’s not said in offense, I personally deal with mental illness daily).
Liss
February 22, 2018 at 10:50 amYou have children you want to feed? Aren’t you lucky. There are parents grieving the children they wish they will had with them down in Florida.
Wesley Horton
February 19, 2018 at 5:39 pmIt must be nice Gabby, to live in a world where you somehow believe that criminals are going to give up their guns to fulfill your fantasy of a gun free world. Gang bangers, drug dealers, serial rapists, all are somehow going to turn in their firearms.
Not to mention, you totally overlook how easy it is to make a zip gun (cheap homemade gun which is just as deadly) Nor do you consider the extensive totally unregulated black market that would spring up to supply firearms.
95% of your posting is a rehashing of the talking points of anti-gun groups and have significant problems which you gloss over.
Don’t forget, you are electing to give up your means of self defense as well. You should know that the police have NO DUTY to protect you or even respond to your 911 call.
It must be nice living in that progressive bubble believing all the bad guys are going to cease their nefarious acts, becasue you believe they will. . .
Michelle
February 19, 2018 at 6:44 pmAmerica is the only place in the world that this is a regular occurance. Of course there will always be “bad guys” but at the moment, lots of “good guys” have access to things that can make them “bad guys” very easily.
There are “significant problems” in all solutions of government. Government decisions should be made for the greater good. I don’t see children having active shooter drills at school and increased fear levels (even before experiencing an actual shooting) as the greater good. Do you?
I know if I was a gun owner, I would sacrifice my wishes for the greater good of children at school. This is not about which children come out of school being able to READ. It is about children being able to come out of school ALIVE!
Design Mom
February 19, 2018 at 7:38 pmYou mean it must be nice to live in Oakland? Where there is no crime? : ) Based on your comment I know you didn’t the read the post. No more comments for you!
Cherie
February 19, 2018 at 6:04 pmGood on you Gabby for posting this. My friends and family here in Australia can not believe that in the US you still don’t have strict gun laws. When our gun laws changed in Australia of course some people were unhappy and used arguments like some of those above. However, apart from everyone feeling much safer and actually being safer nothing else changed. People still have guns, they just need to go through a comprehensive background check to get one and are now 100% accountable for what happens with their guns. They need to continue meeting criteria on a yearly basis to keep them. I never think about or worry about guns in my every day life. I can’t imagine how terrible in must be for the mental health of your society as a whole to be fearful of being shot at any moment. Good luck to those who want to see change. I hope you succeed.
Miggy
February 19, 2018 at 6:22 pmIt really does feel like we’re on the cusp of an actual change in our gun policy. 17 students is a lot. But 50 people in Las Vegas was more, as well as 49 Orlando, etc. So why this shooting? I think it has to do with coming on the heels of the #metoo movement. Just a year prior we had the President Elect on tape admitting to groping women and yet nothing (and sadly still nothing in that respect). Then the scales finally tipped with Harvey Weinstein and flood gates opened. I couldn’t have ever predicted those flood gates opening, and like a lot of people I couldn’t comprehend the depth and scale of the flood. To finally see this sort of accountability for powerful, white men en mass (well, at least the celebrity ones) left me feeling like anything could happen.
And now to see these student survivors from Florida leading the charge and verbally smacking down politicians who say it’s “too soon” to talk and calling it all BS… I don’t know, it just feels like we’re still riding the momentum of a big social and political movement. Maybe they’re not correlated, but either way I’m hopeful that we have finally reached the tipping point.
Design Mom
February 19, 2018 at 7:52 pmI agree! I think the momentum from #MeToo is affecting other areas. Like hey, people started listening to women about assault and abuse, so maybe people will start listening to us when we talk about guns too. Maybe we have a chance to take down those in power and affect real change.
Anna
February 19, 2018 at 7:19 pmI was so encouraged by reading your post! I’ve always been anti-gun, and while I never considered a ban possible, I’m happy to hear that some do think it’s possible, even inevitable. For five minutes I felt a shred of hope.
And then I started reading the comments. And I’m back to having that sick feeling in my stomach. Similar to that helpless feeling after Trump was elected. I’m feeling ready to move to Australia!
Design Mom
February 19, 2018 at 7:31 pmI felt hopeful too reading the conversations I read over the weekend. I still feel hopeful. And the thing is, the more they cling to their guns, and the more they’re unwilling to budge and unwilling to fight for other reasonable measures, the sooner the ban will happen. They’re ridiculousness = more likelihood a change is coming. And soon. Don’t lose hope.
LD
February 19, 2018 at 7:35 pmYes, same here. But has anyone seen this speech by Emma Gonzalez? She gives me hope–she is INCREDIBLE.
Design Mom
February 19, 2018 at 7:53 pmYes! I watched it with my kids. She’s amazing. The whole (continuing) response from the high school kids is outstanding. For the first time in a long time I think we may see some change on the gun issue.
Dana Conway
February 19, 2018 at 8:26 pmI kept reading that argument that our society has changed so much since the 1980s and THAT is the problem. So I looked – I wanted to know if the number of AR15s being purchased changed suddenly. And it did. In 1989. There was a shooting at a school in Stockton, CA and the shooter used an AR 15. The coverage let Americans know this military weapon was available for civilian use and people started buying it. So it’s not so much that our society is different, as it is the the guns are different.
Meg
February 19, 2018 at 8:30 pmI had a change of thinking about this after Sandy Hook. I used to feel the need to be accommodating and careful in my stance against guns (mindful of my pro-gun family from Texas and Oklahoma, where a first gun was a typical bday gift for my cousins when they turned 12). But, I realized I didn’t want to tiptoe around this anymore. I don’t think owning weapons is sacred and I’m tired of being expected to act like it is. Our lives, our children’s lives, actually are sacred. I have never thought a complete ban would actually happen – but I would be thrilled if it did.
Design Mom
February 19, 2018 at 8:39 pm“I don’t think owning weapons is sacred and I’m tired of being expected to act like it is. Our lives, our children’s lives, actually are sacred.”
I like how you stated that. And I hear you about not wanting to tiptoe. I feel the same way. I grew up in a hunting community. Our school let out for the deer hunt. I was the only girl in woodshop class, and the only person in class who didn’t make a gun cabinet for their final project. My best friend, who was the prom queen, also had her own personal gun cabinet. We ate venison our friends killed. Guns were normal. My dad was not a gun person at all, but had a .22 (that I never saw him hold or shoot). My brother got a .bb gun for his birthday. It just seemed regular.
So my instinct has been to protect my friends who hunt and defend their right to own guns. And I’ve kept that instinct intact — asking for reforms, but never anything close to a ban — till this past weekend. On Saturday night, I read a conversation about a full gun ban. And then another. And then another. The conversations gave me so much hope, and I’ve switched to wanting a ban instead of other regulations.
Shanna
February 19, 2018 at 8:33 pmHonestly, I hadn’t even thought as far as a widespread gun ban, but it’s a train of thought that I’d really like to see come to some sort of reality. If I was a responsible gun owner, I would gladly give up my guns if it meant that it could help keep our children safer. Thank you for this post Gabby.
Meg
February 19, 2018 at 9:14 pmI am so tired of being told that anger is not called for. This is a time to be angry, and an issue to be angry about. I’m glad Gabby is willing to host these tough conversations.
Design Mom
February 20, 2018 at 10:14 amI hear you. If there was ever a time for anger about guns, it’s now.
Nicholas Payne
February 19, 2018 at 9:52 pmA lot has been said and written in recent years about the infantilization of the American male, so you can imagine therefore a bunch of 3 year olds who wont pick up their toys. You have told them time and time again, but each time you say it, they throw a tantrum and take more toys out of the box and hurl them across the room. At some point you get so frustrated that you tell them that if they don’t pick them up you will throw them all in the garbage. You don’t really mean it, you spent a lot of money on them and they know you don’t really mean it. You repeat yourself time and time again until you finally get fed up, your word can be defied for only so long. You take out a garbage bag and start putting them in. They wail you can’t do that, but you tell them they were warned. The toys all go to a great deal of wailing as you put the garbage bag in the bin and take it out to the kerb. It was expensive and you hated having to do it, but the lesson had to be learned.
Dorf
February 19, 2018 at 11:08 pmThank you Design Mom, I appreciate so much being able to come here and read this today. I have written my blue-state senators before on this issue, but I will do it again, because I want them to know I am part of the tipping point that will support a ban.
‘Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for rightousness, for they shall be heard.’ I feel so hungry and thirsty right now!
Michelle
February 20, 2018 at 4:53 amWe are in the midst of a shifting paradigm. I can feel it here. Let’s tip it!
Design Mom
February 20, 2018 at 10:14 amI’m feeling it too! Change is in the air.
Sarah
February 20, 2018 at 8:00 amI appreciate this discussion so much. My husband owns several guns, and is of the “Second-Amendment/defense against a tyrannical government/the best defense against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun” variety. He is just about as hardcore a gun owner as they come. However, EVEN HE says he has no problem with a ban on semi-automatic weapons or a mandatory waiting period to purchase a gun. So why hasn’t it happened?
I too feel frustrated and hopeless. And I feel like as a society, we are entrenched on either side of this gun battle, and in the meantime, nothing changes and more children die. Something needs to be done NOW to save lives. I created a website to try to crowd source 100 solutions to mass killing that don’t hinge on gun legislation. It’s a multi-faceted problem, and it requires a multi-faceted solution. While the tug-of-war on gun control is playing out, we need to try to find some policy solutions that can start saving lives NOW. I’ve posted my top ten policy solutions that don’t create new gun laws, and I hope that you and your readers will consider sharing yours also.
Allison
February 20, 2018 at 9:22 amYou have described my feelings exactly. I used to be a “let’s make some reasonable changes” kind of person, but after Sandy Hook, I realized that we are not dealing with reasonable people. The NRA is not a reasonable organization. Gun nuts who refuse to budge an inch on gun laws are not reasonable people. They prize their guns more than the safety of our children, and nothing they tell themselves to justify that sick attitude will change the facts. So now I am full-on ready to repeal the second amendment. I am certain James Madison would never have written it in its current form, without some sort of mitigating language, if he could have foreseen the hell it would unleash upon our nation.
If you wanted to keep your guns, you should have been reasonable. Now I’m coming for the them, and I am not alone.
Design Mom
February 20, 2018 at 10:20 amI hear you. I still want to think they are reasonable people. I think they just never believed anything could really challenge gun laws. And why wouldn’t they think that? Massacre after massacre and nothing has been done. Ben Blair wrote a comment on Facebook yesterday that I keep thinking about:
“Gun enthusiasts have acted as though they were invincible. They have acted as though their stance was unquestionable. They have acted as though their internal language was the lingua franca. I think they are up for a rude awakening, and it will be too late by the time they realize their error.”
Elizabeth
February 20, 2018 at 11:08 amNearly everyone I know owns guns. I live in the suburbs of a major East Coast city, but was raised in a rural area where enthusiastic support for hunting and firearms is interwoven with parenting. Many of our friends have concealed carry permits and various firearm-related certifications. Girlfriends and I practice at a local range which hosts a ladies night. I am a 4-H shooting sports instructor, so teach shooting sports (including archery, bb, air rifle, air pistol, .22 rifle, .22 pistol, muzzleloading, sporting clays, skeet, and trap) to children. Shooting Sports are among the safest sports for children and a strong vehicle for youth development that has been particularly valuable to my family. The diversity of shooting sport disciplines may help explain why families may own several different kinds of firearms. Firearms are often the most valuable things families own besides their homes or vehicles. Many are family heirlooms, some have historical and sentimental value, some are tools regularly used to provide food for families, some are personal sporting equipment used in competitions, and sometimes they are purchased as investments. Growing up on the family farm, we used firearms to eliminate destructive predators, healthfully manage the excess deer population, and to prep aerosol cans for recycling. Our local suburbs are so overrun with deer that we have an urban hunting program in place (qualified sharpshooters only) to decrease the number of fatal car wrecks involving deer. I have been a DesignMom reader since you lived in New York, and remember a previous blog post promising “I don’t want to take away your guns.” It was interesting to read about your process of switching from wanting tighter regulations to calling for a ban on new guns and even the elimination of the 300 million privately owned firearms privately owned in America.
Melissa L.
February 20, 2018 at 12:02 pmCould you give a little more detail regarding “Shooting Sports are among the safest sports for children and a strong vehicle for youth development that has been particularly valuable to my family.”? Specifically the “strong vehicle for youth development.”
Design Mom
February 20, 2018 at 12:16 pmYes. As I mentioned in the post, I’ve had a real switch over the weekend. It’s finally dawned on me that “responsible gun owners” aren’t actually being responsible if they’re not leading the charge for demanding strict gun laws. It seems clear that gun owners aren’t actually willing to do anything to change the status quo. Some say they support change, but they don’t do anything about it.
If I’m wrong and they step up, that’s terrific. It will be better for everybody. If they don’t step up, I think a ban is inevitable. I’m sure they will be sad to lose their guns. But not as sad as the 22,000 families that lose someone to gun suicide each year.
No doubt a ban can include enough nuance so that people who need guns once in awhile (say, for deer control) will be able to use them.
What’s your take on responsible gun ownership? What does it look like to you? How would you define it? And if your definition became law, how do you think gun owners would respond?
Kristen
February 21, 2018 at 6:00 amI think we had relatively similar upbringings, but what I can’t understand is how any of those reasons (family heirlooms, sentiment, sport) are good enough reasons to allow children to be unsafe at school, and the high amount of mass shootings.
A shotgun can be used for hunting, and a shotgun can’t be turned into a semiautomatic. I used to be pro-gun control and now honestly think the time for a solution on that level has passed and we need an all out ban.
Nan
February 20, 2018 at 12:25 pmThank you Elizabeth. I was intrigued by DesignMom’s change also.
I think time for “anger” about guns is past. The time now is for reasonable and enforceable regulations AND a pouring of resources in to combating the underlying issues which are the bedrock of these terrible shootings – mental health, aggression, the broken family, etc., etc.
I live in Washington – no one is taking away any ones guns any time soon. My social media is full of people calling for regulations but no one, no one, is calling for a ban of all guns.
Almost every person I know owns one or more and for all the various reasons you listed, plus many own just for protection! Do I know anyone whose gun ownership worries me? No. They are all intelligent, responsible and practiced firearm users.
Am I comfortable knowing the guy next to me in the produce aisle probably has a gun – well to be honest I have mixed feelings about it.
What about the guy I saw at McDonalds with a gun in a holster on his hip – the first non-concealed I’d seen in public? He was scruffy looking, tattooed – he was leaning on his car eating a sundae, chatting wth a friend. Would I have felt different if he was wearing slacks/shirt/tie? If he had been 40, 50, 60 years old instead of late twenties early thirties? Did I feel safer or threatened? He was white – what if he’d been another race? What if a random person had decided to begin shooting in the McDonalds? (SanDiego circa 1984) and he had used that weapon, would I have been glad then? Even as I type this I realize my concern is with the person carrying the weapon – not the weapon itself.
So many things about this dialog give me pause. It is too big of an issue for me to rant and rave and blast folks on social media about. It is too big for an all or nothing attitude. I am searching for a calm, reasonable, well thought out solution – so far those commentaries are few and far between – but when I find someone ready to tackle the issue in this way – I will stand behind them and support them.
In the meantime, I pray that our society will begin to make the changes needed so that no one ever feels the need to carry a gun to protect themselves or their families.
Tina
February 20, 2018 at 2:23 pmThank you, thank you for putting into words what I think as well! I’d prefer more resources directed to the root of the problem (like mental health), my concern is also more about the person with the weapon than the weapon itself, and it is also too big of an issue for me to find something calm and reasonable on social media. I also very, very much wish our society had a level of peace that guns were not seen as needed for protection.
Design Mom
February 20, 2018 at 4:11 pm“the underlying issues which are the bedrock of these terrible shootings – mental health, aggression, the broken family, etc., etc.”
I realize it’s easy to assume that those are the underlying issues. But what if they’re not? What if that’s totally wrong? Because based on the data we have, those aren’t the underlying issues of gun violence at all. Mental health doesn’t correlate. Violent video games don’t correlate. You know what does? The number of guns in our country. That’s the only thing we have so far that correlates.
So while I’m all in favor of advocating for mental health, trying to pin our gun problems on it is really unhelpful, and ultimately feels like a distraction from the real topic.
“I am searching for a calm, reasonable, well thought out solution – so far those commentaries are few and far between – but when I find someone ready to tackle the issue in this way – I will stand behind them and support them.”
I wrote a very calm, reasonable, well thought out post, filled with suggestions for tackling the issue. I shared it after the Las Vegas killing spree, and then shared it again last week, after the Florida massacre. Many people have been suggesting calm, reasonable, well-thought-out solutions for years and years. Literally years and years. But gun owners refuse to consider even the most basic, common sense options. I’ve been called an extremist for suggesting a nationwide background check. That’s extremist? Baloney. 85% of the country agrees we need a nationwide background check.
So you’ll forgive me if your claim that you’ll support well thought out solutions rings hollow for me. I hear similar claims from a lot of gun owners and gun rights supporters, but it’s pretty unbelievable at this point. There are dozens of reasonable suggestions out there. You have to try pretty hard to pretend they don’t exist.
Nan
February 20, 2018 at 5:25 pmI certainly will forgive you for making leaping judgements about me. Because you don’t know me, nor do you know what I have done and will continue to do in this arena.
That wasn’t part of the conversation.
I am not a gun owner. I have no desire to own a gun. For that matter I don’t even have an alarm on my home.
And yes, I did read your post last week (#10 was excellent), it was well reasoned and polite and interesting. In this post though the persons you cut and pasted from had a very different feel and mind set. It was snarky and militant and almost threatening. I had to reread it because I thought “Wait is this Designmom??” – oh no it wasn’t actually you – its “voice” was very different.
I think gun owners, at least those I know, are very careful to support the solutions you suggested. But you very freely lump people into extremes.
I guess I should have qualified my statement about supporting solutions – I didn’t mean from social media/blog/Instagram/meme writers. I meant from lawmakers from actual people in positions to not just toss out opinions on “How I’d change the world in 10 easy steps”, but real policy makers – and I do support them. I vote, I support – and I certainly don’t “pretend” about any of this.
The discussions on correlations based on that one study are interesting. But like the graph in your article last week it seems narrowly focused. So many factors play into this problem – and statistics only show what the writer wishes to convey. I’m not sure how we can say mental health doesn’t correlate when it is obviously a huge part of person’s behavior and choices. These are not mentally healthy individuals perpetrating these acts. They are not your average citizens – they ALL have been shown to have serious mental issues.
I read your blog regularly even though we are not politically aligned on oh about 100% of your topics. But see I feel you are entitled to your opinion and when your opinions don’t align with my opinions I simply read them and acknowledge that you have an opinion different than mine and then I move on to the next post about things I’m interested in.
My initial response was to someone voicing a very different opinion than most on this thread – because I enjoyed their perspective and bravery in speaking up in what can be a hostile environment.
And I wanted to voice my personal struggles with the topic in general, based on my experiences. As I said, I am conflicted and I believe the issue is too big, too deep to have simple solutions but I do think we need to work toward solutions- you in your way and me in mine – whether you believe me or not, well, I’m okay with that.
Design Mom
February 21, 2018 at 1:36 amSounds like I really misinterpreted your other comment.
I’ve received multiple comments complaining that “the extremes on both sides just won’t compromise” and I find them quite maddening. Because that’s not true at all. One side has presented a thousand compromises, while gun advocates + the NRA haven’t been willing to listen or budge an inch or even suggest their own ideas for fixes. I read your comment the same way as the maddening comments, though it sounds like that’s not how it was intended. One thing I know for sure: Tone on the internet is tricky.
Nan
February 21, 2018 at 11:07 pmAgreed!
This is what I mean about making statistics say what you want, depending on your focus. And this is what makes the topic so complex – who to believe? When you scan lots of different sources, you find lots of different “experts” giving lots of different opinions and filtering out the truth is not so simple.
Michel Hachey
March 25, 2018 at 3:37 pmIt is a cop out to say that statistics are only used to show what a writer wants to show. Without the statistics, our modern world would not exist in its current advanced form. While it is true statistics are often misused, it doesn’t mean that it is all lies. If ‘mental violence’ is a cause for ‘gun violence,’ then there must be some statistical correlation to support that premise. In other words, there must be some well conducted study providing statistical proof otherwise it is just more BS.
While mental illness does impact a person’s behavior and choices, it doesn’t follow that these choices will lead to more gun murders compared to the norm. There a lot of perfectly sane people that commit murders through gun violence. A recent book published on “Mass Shooting and Mental Illness” published by American Psychiatric Association takes some of the guess work out of this question. I particularly invite you to read what James L. Knoll IV, M.D. and George D. Annas, M.D. have to say in Chapter 4 about common misperceptions compared to evidence-based facts. This article and many more can be easily be found by a Google search.
While I have opinions on many topics, I personally don’t have time to research and qualify each and every one of my opinions. Because of this, I do rely on the opinion of experts in a field for qualified interpretations and answers. For that reason, I would rather that expert opinion guide policy because they have the time, knowhow, and incentive to look at all the various complex factors that can influence complex questions. This is not to say that experts can’t make errors, but their informed interpretation is sure to be loads better than any uniformed opinions that you and I may have.
It is true that we all have a right to our voice own opinions. But with respect to making effective policies, don’t we have a duty to make sure that our opinions are supported by weight-of-evidence? Isn’t the call from the Parkland student to “stop the BS” a call for effective and meaningful change.
Erika
February 20, 2018 at 1:59 pmAs long as we are dreaming, can you even imagine the cognitive dissonance that would occur within the U.S. membership if the LDS church took a moral position on gun violence and supported legislation regulating guns? I long for that Zion.
treen
February 28, 2018 at 9:13 pmHA! It wasn’t an official statement from the Office of the First Presidency … but President Nelson was speaking at a YSA fireside in Vegas last week and did include something in his speech about the US laws about guns being “inadequate” about keeping guns from people who shouldn’t have them. It’s a start!!
Tina
February 20, 2018 at 2:18 pmI’m impressed at the time this must have taken to compile this.
One thing caught my eye: “Can high-speed, high capacity assault rifles be grown in backyards and fields like drugs? With no high level machining, manufacturing knowledge, and capital?”
The surprising answer to this is, um, yes they can. See NPR Planet Money podcast #817 about a man who 3-D printed a gun.
Design Mom
February 20, 2018 at 3:59 pm3D printers will get there at some point, but they’re simply not good enough yet. And it would still require manufacturing resources. You have to “print” with some type of material, a material that has been prepped to print with.
Kim
February 20, 2018 at 2:54 pmWe’re a family of gun owners and hunters in Australia – 95% vegan except for meat we kill and butcher ourselves. (We feel like it’s an ethical & healthy way to eat a little meat.) And gun control and America is high on the discussion agenda among our family and friends,
Over the last twenty or so years we’ve noticed that vehemently anti-gun Australians will go on holiday to America and come back with happy snaps of themselves firing all manner of guns. It feels like the gun culture there is just so pervasive that it conquers anti-gun feelings in the course of just a couple of weeks. I suppose that’s where the it-will-never-work-in-America argument comes from.
From the outside it certainly looks like a culture change is key. But what is often forgotten is that laws change culture. Laws that limit ownership rights, even just a little, and insist on ownership responsibility have the power to change culture.
Of course it’s true that there is a lot to change in America in relation to guns – and laws alone won’t do it – but laws are a good place to start. Cultural change will follow.
(The other thing we constantly shake our heads about is health care – a related but seperate discussion.)
America is such a beautiful country, and full of good people – it deserves better.
Design Mom
February 20, 2018 at 3:57 pm“Laws that limit ownership rights, even just a little, and insist on ownership responsibility have the power to change culture.”
I really appreciate how you stated that.
Susan Rotter
February 20, 2018 at 2:57 pmThank you for your post, Gabby.
I live in London (where we have our share of knife and illegal gun crime) but I have five school-age nieces/nephews living in Florida. It was terrifying to wake up to that terrible news and wonder if my family were affected. And to be honest, whilst my family weren’t in that school they were affected- they do the lock-down drills and no doubt the older ones realise why. There’s a whole generation of kids affected by this, growing up not feeling safe in a place that should feel protective and safe. It makes me so scared for them and the way this will affect their view of the world and of other people.
I think you’re approaching this topic in a really constructive way -> asking people to explore what responsible gun ownership means and how they are willing to behave to retain their legal guns…I want to think that the average gun owner is willing and eager to be responsible and that we WILL see a major sea change in USA, embraced by these responsible, thinking people.
I had no real strong views on guns before moving to the UK almost 20 years ago and seeing the USA from the outside.
anonymous
February 20, 2018 at 3:28 pmI didn’t have a strong opinion about guns until after the day when I heard the sound of someone breaking through my bedroom window. A single woman starting out on my own, living in a basement apartment. He didn’t have a gun, however, and at the time, neither did I. He had the complete advantage however. I had no reasonable way to defend myself. You are likely privileged to live in a good neighborhood. If a person is lucky enough to have an opportunity to call the police, a good response time in a nice neighborhood is maybe 10 minutes? If you are brave enough to try this, sit down and set a timer for 10 minutes and spend each minute aware, imagining all the horrible things that could happen to a woman in that time frame. It’s a lot longer than you’d think. If you do that, can you still say that I shouldn’t have the right to own a firearm to defend myself as a woman against a violent attack in my own home? To empower myself with the training and the skill to handle a situation like this if it ever happened again? Would you take that away from me? Please think about this.
I am leaving my name and info out of this because this hurts to talk about.
Design Mom
February 20, 2018 at 4:15 pmYou bring up a good question. How do women in countries with gun bans defend themselves? Perhaps alarm systems? Pepper spray or mace? Tasers?
Joanna R
February 20, 2018 at 9:00 pmAnonymous,
Wow- this sounds absolutely frightening…I’m so sorry that happened to you. I’m not trying to reduce your experience to a podcast, but a particular episode of a podcast called ‘Science Vs’ (Gun Control Pt 1 and Pt 2- I highly recommend both)talked about homeowners that own guns in situations like these. They found that YES guns were effective with home invasions, HOWEVER- they also found that doing things like turning on the lights(or motion detecting lights), carrying a bat, owning a dog, turning on an alarm, etc, helped JUST AS MUCH. In fact, the statistics the podcast mentioned said that in the cases where a homeowner owned a gun, the situation turned MUCH more violent MUCH more quickly(either towards the homeowner/family or home invader). All this to say, that again- I’m very sorry to hear about what happened to you, but statistics show that owning a bat or a dog should make you feel safer than owning a gun.
Adrienne
February 21, 2018 at 11:30 amI’m a married woman with two children, and we live in a questionable neighborhood because it’s where we can afford to live. Every year or so, someone with a rifle gets drunk and parades down the street, or there’s a domestic violence dispute and someone shoots someone else at 3 am and we wake up to police tape in the garbage cans. We don’t own a gun. We have two big dogs, have a neighborhood watch, and are friends with our neighbors and keep an eye on each other’s kids. In no way do I think guns make anyone safer. I would much rather no one have a gun than own one myself.
Ellie
February 20, 2018 at 6:28 pmThis is a wonderful discussion. I have so many thoughts, but will try to organize them succinctly.
I teach high school, and I love teenagers. Watching the response from high schoolers this past week has made my heart swell with pride. I believe in these kids — they are our future, and the NRA and politicians (and angry white men who have been infiltrating this thread) better believe that they are going to be up against a wave of young people who want change. And in case any one wants to know, the idea of arming teachers is absolutely ludicrous. I can’t even begin to innumerate the reasons why that is a bad idea.
I tend to get frustrated when some folks seem to think that better access to mental health services will solve the problem. Our school is FULL of support for young people. Social workers, counselors, caring teachers, anti-bullying campaigns…honestly, I’m not sure what more we can do. Certainly there should be more community services, but aren’t some of shooters simply “angry young men”? I’m not sure that the majority of them are actually mentally ill. (I suppose it depends on how you define mental illness.)
I cringe when I read the comments of the “responsible gun owners” weighing in. Two weeks ago our school community was devastated when a freshman boy died by a gunshot wound when he and his friend were alone with the dad’s gun. (Investigation still on-going, but it was clearly an accident.) Five years ago a dear friend’s husband, a man who had never shown a suicidal tendency, shot himself in the head while my friend made dinner. Those are just two examples from my protected, relatively privileged life of a gun in the house leading to no good. Personally, guns terrify me. I don’t have a lot of hope that we can ban all guns, but my goodness, we could ban the semi-automatics and amp up our background checks.
For the record, I am sick and tired of hearing that someone with a truck or a knife can also commit mass murder. When I am huddling in the corner with my students in my third floor classroom during a lock-down drill, my mind is not worrying about a truck or a knife, I’m worried about an angry young white man with a semi-automatic weapon.
Meggles
February 20, 2018 at 6:51 pmI would not support guns being banned, and as a passionate supporter of gun control, that is really saying something. I don’t see how the 2nd Amendment could possibly be fulfilled while banning guns (although it seems to me, and from legal experts I’ve read, the 2nd is referring to militias—so, maybe something akin to ghetto national guard?). In any case, I do know people that hunt (including my husband), and I guess they could use a bow and arrow (come one).
I definitely understand the feeling of wanting to ban all guns, but I also think that is seriously jumping the shark. Even more than that, all the gun crazies (I mean, the paranoid, pathetic nutjobs) are going to say, see? the govt really is going to take away my firearms.
I just don’t think these blanket assertions from people are helpful at all. But I do hope and pray that there is some serious gun reform. Newtown is the event that transformed me into working against the GOP for the rest of my freaking life.
Design Mom
February 21, 2018 at 1:21 amThere’s no reason a ban would have to mean no hunting. My kids love to ice stake, but we don’t own ice skates. We could build nuance into a ban so that people to access a gun for hunting or clay shooting, etc.
Meggles
February 20, 2018 at 6:53 pmAutocorrect changed my attempt at “the national guard” into “ghetto national guard”. That was not intentional on my part. I can’t edit my comment to change it, sorry.
Mona
February 20, 2018 at 7:21 pmLaw enforcement teams who sniff out and arrest illegal gun owners post ban could provide a lot of fodder for the profitable prison industrial complex…
Design Mom
February 21, 2018 at 1:27 amHahahaha!
Mariah
February 20, 2018 at 8:37 pmThank you for bringing attention to this discussion! I hope you aren’t right about the time being passed for this kind of agreement. I don’t own guns myself, but I hope we still have time to create strict laws that will still allow good citizens to own guns if they want to, rather than going for a full gun-ban.
Design Mom
February 21, 2018 at 1:29 amIf I’m wrong, and gun owners step up, take down the NRA, demand strict gun laws, and lead the change on all of this (as they should have years ago), then I would cheer with joy. We would all benefit if they did that. And I would be delighted to be wrong.
But I don’t think gun owners will actually step up. I think it’s too late. They’re convinced that a gun ban is impossible. They can not see it coming.
Adrienne
February 20, 2018 at 9:12 pmThank you for being so outspoken about this, Gabby. I’m a long-time reader, first-time commenter and I needed this. I have been pussyfooting around my gun-owning friends for so long and trying to find middle ground and not getting anywhere. Their arguments are dumb and delusional as hell (what, you’re an out of shape engineer and all of a sudden you’re just going to turn into Liam Neeson?) and I’m going to just say it now.
Katherine
February 20, 2018 at 9:43 pmDo you know how many mass shootings Australia has had since their 1996 Gun Ban? Zero, I repeat, ZERO!
Susan Magnolia
February 20, 2018 at 10:55 pmLove you Gaby! I could not agree more!
Kristen
February 21, 2018 at 5:38 amI am pro ban, but sadly do not agree at all that it is the inevitable progression. If Sandy Hook didn’t result in a ban, I don’t know what will.
I grew up around responsible gun owners. My dad was a cop, and his gun was in our house. Guns didn’t inherently terrify me.
Then all the mass shootings started, and it got to the point where I was sitting in a famous movie theatre in LA at midnight for the release of the last Hunger Games movie, and I could not stop the panic I felt at how exposed my seat was, what a target that theatre could have been, and just how deeply unsafe I felt.
I’ve since moved to Spain and London, where guns are not around and am shocked at how the rest of the world views us. I have European friends who are terrified to visit the states because of the gun crimes, and are shocked and appalled we as Americans continue to do nothing as more and more mass shootings occur. I can’t imagine I’d feel comfortable sending a child to school in a US school system.
I hope something changes, but I fear we’ve let it go on so long it is now just viewed as a new normal.
Farrah
February 21, 2018 at 8:28 amThis is a wonderful post, appreciate you taking the time to put it together.
Mary
February 21, 2018 at 1:40 pmThank you so much for this post, Gabby.
Susan
February 22, 2018 at 5:47 amHope the offensive, vulgar comment just above this one gets deleted quickly. If that’s a typical example of what you have to deal with as a blogger, Gabby, you have my sympathy, and also my admiration.
I have been wondering if “the love of money” is the root of much of the evil behind the NRA and its support of gun culture in the U.S.
I’d like to see a good piece of investigative journalism about the flow of cash into and out of the NRA. Where are they getting the tens of millions of dollars to donate to politicians? Who’s donating to or financially supporting the NRA? Who’s making money from the manufacture of guns? Are the guns sold in the U.S. made in the U.S.?
Would a boycott of businesses affiliated with or supportive of the NRA and/or gun manufacturers have any kind of impact? Boycotts have been shown to work to change corporate behaviour in other instances.
The NRA is obviously financially successful at the moment. It’s time to change that if Americans want logical gun law reform.
Amy3
February 23, 2018 at 9:17 amGabby, thank you (again) for tackling this topic with grace, determination, and passion. I absolutely support a gun ban, and would love to live in a country that was safer because of it. Would it stop all violence? Of course not, but it would make a big difference. And as I’ve said to friends, we enact legislation and regulations all the time to increase safety that aren’t 100% effective. Why on earth would we exclude something as dangerous as guns from that process?
Susan, you’re right on about the money. In what will be my own small effort in this regard, I’m going to see if any of my retirement investments include gun stocks or similar. If they do, I’ll divest.
Marjory Douglas High School Students Advocate for Gun Control
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Elise
February 22, 2018 at 9:30 pmSorry I’m late to the conversation, but I have been mulling something over. In reading endlessly about the #metoo movement, gun reform and Black Panther among other things, I’ve noticed a pattern of “enough is enough”. Women are saying to men, proponents of gun control are saying to gun owners, black people are saying to white people, “No more waiting, being polite and asking nicely, protesting peacefully, working within the existing paradigm and getting nowhere. We are moving forward and creating a new reality of our own design, with or without you.” I for one hope the momentum is breathtaking. I can’t wait.
Jessica
February 23, 2018 at 10:27 amIt doesn’t seem like a full gun ban could exist without repealing the 2nd amendment and ratifying a new Constitutional amendment. That being said the Constitution is a flexible document and can change. If this happened, my life would not change one iota. It would take a change of thinking about the Bill of Rights, but who cares if it would prevent things like the school shootings. That is a change I am more than willing to make.
However, I am not the one you need to convince. My brother-in-law and his family and millions of Americans are the ones you need to either convince or find a way to override. And I can guarantee you, you would have to override them because the rhetoric you are using is not going to convince anyone who doesn’t already agree with you.
Amy
February 23, 2018 at 2:51 pmI’m so honored to have my post featured here and so proud of you for never shying away from these hard conversations on your blog. I’m such a huge fan! Also so happy to see so many like-minded folks responding in the comments. I knew I wasn’t the only one who wanted this discussion to go full throttle towards NO GUNS, and it’s nice to see people rallying behind this idea. I’d like to mention that I grew up in a small town in Utah, the child of generations and generations of farmers and ranchers where hunting was a HUGE part of the culture and my family participated regularly. There was never a winter whilst growing-up that there wasn’t a dead deer hanging in the garage waiting to be cleaned and wrapped for family dinners. But, over the years, almost all of my immediate and extended family members have changed their ideas about guns and about hunting and have funneled their love for the outdoors into hiking, photography and other softer hobbies. My dad told me the other day that he’s going to get rid of all his beloved hunting rifles because “it just doesn’t make sense to me anymore.” I haven’t lived in Utah for 25 years, but I feel like things have started to change there and in other more rural places as well, at least I hope that is the case. I’m currently a little out-of-touch, having lived in a beautiful liberal echo chamber in NYC for the past 15 years.
Stephanie
February 23, 2018 at 4:48 pmAppreciate this whole discussion. Such a huge, emotional topic. It’s hard for me to understand why there is so much anger and fear about banning guns. You are so brave to take this on in a public space, someone left an argument inducing comment on my FB page after I hit the “going” button for the student march coming up. I quickly told him not to try to pick a fight and unfriended him. Thank you for such an articulate, intelligent voice!
Sherry
March 4, 2018 at 6:29 pmNeither my husband nor I grew up in homes with guns, but he does own a couple of WWII-era Soviet rifles, because he loves history. We have enjoyed shooting them together off and on over the years, but as our kids have gotten older (oldest is 7) I’ve become, not necessarily concerned, but certainly aware of the dangers guns pose simply by being in our home. My kids don’t even know where they are (they don’t get used much), nor where the ammunition is, nor how to load and shoot them. But after reading this post I talked to my husband about whether or not we really need to keep the around. (And if we DO keep them around, we need to come up with an actually safe way to store them, not just a way that we perceive to be safe.) I don’t want to have this discussion after some curious child discovers them, or worse, after somebody gets hurt.
Anyway, thanks for the post. It’s given me some valuable things to think about.
Brittney
March 17, 2018 at 1:30 pmI get what you’re saying; I’m angry too. I doubt it will be a total gun ban and such a move is quite self-defeating and one-sided. Quite a lot of perfectly lawful, justified self defense encounters involving a firearm involve no shots fired and just the display. Such encounters involve no police reports and no news feeds. We just don’t hear about them. I had this when I was scared of what I perceived as a mug attempt by two perps cornerning me. I’m so thankful they backed off and I didn’t have to use violence (though I was prepared to if I had to).
I agree that assualt style weapons are out of hand and I support a ban on these military style weapons. Civilians do not need them. Better checks are needed for firearms as well. What good would a mandatory long wait do? Imagine your ex husband threatens to kill you and was just released from prison? What then? People have lost their lives that way as I’ve understand it. I support SMART regulation. If I had assualt style rifles or high capacity firearms I would give them up too. However, on the whole, firearms still have their place in America.
Ed
April 4, 2018 at 7:53 pmGreat fantasy world the author and many of the commentators are picturing. I can understand why coastal dwellers might buy it though. A gun ban will result in more gun deaths on US soil than any war since the Civil War.
Design Mom
April 4, 2018 at 9:40 pm– Maybe it’s a fantasy to imagine a safer gun-free America, but when commenters say stuff like “more gun deaths than the Civl War,” it always sounds like they’re fantasizing about a movie script.
– Did you know over 200 random men have come to this post from Quora, just like you, and left comments that are almost word for word exactly like yours? I’ve deleted 95% of them. I’m not sure why I’ve decided to leave yours here. Probably because you managed not to call me a cunt or bitch or even sugartits. Impressive! Or maybe your familiar email address caught my eye. I used to have an optonline address when I lived in New York. Should I assume you’re a coastal dweller yourself?
– In lieu of a civil war, here are some other options for you to daydream about. Say the gun ban happens — as you know, it’s probably too late to prevent at this point. First, let’s acknowledge the majority of the citizens in this country don’t own guns and will be totally fine with a ban. But what about the gun owners? What will they do? Well, here are several likely scenarios.
– 1) As gun owners love to tell us over and over, they are very law-abiding by nature. If there’s a law banning guns, many if not most will simply hand in their guns, because they value their law-abiding citizenship more than their guns.
– 2) Some gun owners may be resistant and consider hiding their guns instead of turning them in. But many will change their mind from social pressure. Their darling grandkids will say, “Grandpa, I had a bad dream you went to jail because you are hiding a gun. Please turn it in, Grandpa. Pretty please? I would be so sad if my Grandpa was in jail.” And tada! all the grandpas will turn in their guns. Or, they’ll see their friends and neighbors turn in their guns and realize it’s a totally normal fine thing to do.
– 3) Gun owners constantly brag about their guns online, so it’s no secret who owns guns and who doesn’t. It will be easier than people think to figure out who hasn’t turned their guns in. No doubt there will be anonymous tip lines where women can add the names of violent boyfriends and ex-husbands to the list of men who are hiding guns.
– 4) Once it’s determined which people haven’t turned their guns in from simple social pressure, other kinds of pressures can be applied. For example, perhaps they won’t be allowed to renew their driver’s license until the guns are handed in. Or perhaps they won’t be allowed to use the library, or go to a national park, or get unemployment benefits, or social security benefits, or vote. That will be enough pressure to get most of the remaining holdouts to hand in their guns.
– 5) But surely, there will still be some who hang on to their guns and continue to prepare for the revolt they fantasize about. For them, perhaps a more direct pressure would work. For example, maybe their internet and cell phone access would be cut off. That could be very effective, don’t you think? I mean how long would all of the men who’ve come here from Quora holdout if they lost access to pornhub? Like 45 mins? Maybe not even that long?
– 6) And now we’d be left with the deeply disturbed gun owners, the ones with no social support, and no real life friends. This is a pretty small number overall. What could happen to get them to hand in their guns? Remember, by this time, everyone else has handed in their guns and life has gone on as usual — but with 90% less suicides and virtually no gun accidents or mass shootings. So now the gun holdouts just look like anti-social weirdos that remind people of the Unabomber. Perhaps in those cases a SWAT team would need to be sent in, and the gun owner, now a criminal, could be very publicly taken to jail. If it was public enough, the small number of remaining holdouts would be likely to give in and give up their guns.
– 7) Yes, there will be people who are already criminals who hold on to their guns. Since they are already criminals, we can assume they are already of interest to authorities. Only now it could be easier to find them, because they are the only ones with guns. Related, it will suddenly become much harder for someone to buy an illegal gun. Based on black market prices for guns in Australia, an illegal gun could easily go for upwards of $34,000. The average citizen who considers buying one and starting a life of crime, won’t be able to afford the purchase. If they’ve got $34,000 of spending money, why do they need a life of crime anyway?
Will these scenarios happen? Who knows, but based on the actual world we live in, they are much more likely than an all-out civil war.
David Grover
June 16, 2018 at 11:14 amDo you actually believe that people are paying tens of thousands of dollars for something you can and do make for a couple of hundred?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv33pCUkLRM
Marco
September 22, 2018 at 2:02 amHi, i’m an Italian gun owner and i definitely agree that harsher gun laws would make America a better and safer place.
But i’m just reading many comments and many talk about a blanket ban. That would not work. Even here in Italy pretty much anyone who isn’t a felon can legally buy guns and have them at home, we have 10 millions of guns in this country overall. Not much compared to the Us, but this is because of culture, for as i said, all the citizens who aren’t convicted felons can legally buy. Carry permits are another thing, more difficult to obtain (I’m a concealed carrier btw, the government allowed me to for safety reasons) but we have another country, in Europe, the Czech Republic, which allows many more carry permits and yet neither Italy nor The Czech Republic is plagued by gun violence like the Us, because we have actual controls and effective background checks.
So i think that enforcing stricter gun laws would work, and i would support it if i was an American. But an outright ban wouldn’t work.
I have had to defend my house from two armed Serbians in 2014 and i can tell you that if i hadn’t had my gun i would be dead by now.
I wouldn’t want to have laws like the Uk, for example, where they have an astonishingly high rate of knife murders and you know, if you are disarmed you can’t do much against a knife wielding assailant, expecially if he knows what he is doing and how to use the knife.
Cheers.
Alan
February 19, 2019 at 10:22 pmHi, I am an father, an Army veteran with four deployments to Afghanistan since 2010, and a NRA Life member. I own weapons, and have a comprehensive understanding of their effects.
Very interesting thread, and I have enjoyed reading the perspectives of people with very different opinions than mine on the subject. When I thought about common ground we might have I realized we all want a safer world for our families, but differ on how that might be achieved.
One thing not mentioned that might be a violence driver is the amount of bloodshed in movies and video games. Just an opinion, but I think it desensitizes people and glorifies the use of weapons. I think Hollywood and the game producers may be having a very negative impact on young males.
3D printed weapons are sort of a straw man, the printers produce a very poor quality weapon. Any competent machine shop can produce much better firearms out of metal, so I don’t think I would put much energy into countering 3D printed guns.
The gun show loophole is something I am not sure I understand and I have purchased many weapons at gun shows. I had to go through the FFL process every time. I think most people are thinking of unrestricted private party transactions that might occur at a gun show, (never seen it), or more likely in a parking lot somewhere. Probably a good strategy would be to require all transactions to go through an FFL. I have sold several guns and I always take it my FFL. He transfers it to the buyer for a nominal fee and I leave knowing the buyer can legally posses a weapon. (FFL transfer provides for a federal background check for the buyer).
Something else I think would help would be to prosecute all gun crimes including attempting to purchase a weapon when the buyer cannot legally possess a weapon. (Right now, you get a nasty letter from ATF.) It is amazing the very small number of prosecutions that occur in cities like Chicago.
I don’t think a complete ban is feasible (or desirable), but I am sympathetic to the concerns that have led many of your readers to that conclusion. The comment that someone made about gun owners being unable to withstand the military might of the US Government are probably mistaken. My experience in Afghanistan indicates that a motivated population with small arms and explosives can withstand the worlds most modern and dominant military powers. 18 years there and counting and the Taliban still control most of the real estate. I pray that nothing like that ever occurs here, and I am hopeful that we find a way to stop mass shootings without destroying the 2nd amendment.
Again, I appreciate the opportunity to comment here, and although I know most of your other commentators will not agree with me, I respect their heartfelt and considered opinions.
Alan
youaresubhuman
February 20, 2019 at 3:25 pmIt’s amazing that you stupid fucking faggots actually think taking guns will fix anything. It will not fix anything. Criminals and niggers and spics will still get guns. They will still flood over the Mexican border and there is nothing you will ever be able to do about it. And these are the people who are a threat. Statistically spree shootings are totally irrelevant and you only are afraid of them because you are stupid, emotional, effeminate subhumans who are easily manipulated by the media.
You just want to take white mens guns. You dont care about the guns niggers and spics use to commit all actual statistically significant gun crime. You dont give a fuck about totalitarian police or antifa psychos having guns. You just want to take it from white conservatives. And you hide behind a heavily armed military and police force to do it, like all cowardly leftist subhumans.
And the minute you come and try to do it, you will get butchered like you fucking cunts deserve.
subhumanfilth@hotmail.com
IP: 99.237.1.235
Adam
February 20, 2019 at 3:46 pmWhoa man, uncalled for language. You’re an embarrassment to the rest of the gun community.
Adam.b.mahan@gmail.com
IP: 68.189.213.150
Design Mom
February 20, 2019 at 5:05 pmOh Adam. He’s not an embarrassment to the rest of the gun community, he’s a perfect representative. Here are just a few of the comments from your gun community that I’ve deleted in the last couple of days. These are your people. You can pretend they’re not. But they came here from the same link you came from. They read the same things you read. They think the same thoughts you think.
Remember, this is just a small sampling. I’ve had to delete hundreds more. Your gun community is deeply racist, terrified of Jews and gay people, and hoo boy do they hate women.
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Barry H. Rhodes in Texas
February 20, 2019 at 7:41 pmIf you don’t mind me asking, why would you delete a comment posted to your blog? I was neither profane, nor rude, nor sexist, nor homophobic, nor anything else that could be considered remotely “offensive” by any reasonable standard.
barry.rhodes78@gmail.com
IP: 104.56.62.25
Design Mom
February 20, 2019 at 7:51 pmI deleted your comment because of the company you keep. Your gun community has left vile comments here for days now. You openly support that community. It’s the same community who has called me a cunt and bitch repeatedly and threatened to kill me. It’s the same community that has left hundreds of comments on this post saying hateful things about black people, gay people, women, and immigrants.
If you don’t mind me asking, why would I allow members of your gun community, including you, to use my platform?
You may think you’re different than them, but you’re not. Your behavior — your support of the community — allows and encourages them to be cruel and profane.
David Stovall
February 21, 2019 at 9:37 amShe deleted it because of your inane stupidity and inability to use truth and logic.
Pete
February 21, 2019 at 6:06 amHa, ha, Ha doesn’t matter how many words the gun freaks write.
same ole right-wing paranoid rehash, the .gov can’t be trusted!
“so what if children die as long as I can keep my pile of guns” right keeping saying that.
Phil Wilson
February 21, 2019 at 8:59 amI don’t think most proponents of civilian disarmament (PCD) believe there will be mass confiscation of existing arms, at least not anytime soon. They have been playing a longer game, pushing to change the culture. Though PCD are not a monolithic group. There are a variety of opinions and goals.
PCD don’t envision police or paramilitary squads kicking down the doors of gun owners. They know the culture will move on and gun owners will become increasingly more ostracized, and then ignored, as they become irrelevant and the country moves on.
Chip in Florida
February 21, 2019 at 11:41 am“.. Just because someone doesn’t pull the trigger doesn’t make them blameless.”
So true. And have you noticed that none of the pro-gun commenters are talking about the Coast Guard lieutenant who amassed weapons and planned a mass terrorist attack targeting politicians and journalists? Instead, the gun folks are obsessed with the Smollett story because they are terrified of gay people and black people. The pro-gun people are creating domestic terrorists and they are in denial.
Sian
February 21, 2019 at 12:49 pmYes it’s ridiculous that the fake crime celebrity news is getting 95% more coverage than an actual homegrown terrorist.
PsyDog
February 21, 2019 at 1:01 pmEven though you explained to Barry why you are deleting comments, I don’t think that’s fair. Don’t you know I’m a man? It’s my god-given right to share my opinions on every platform.
Ed
February 21, 2019 at 6:18 pmI was determined to give this an honest read with an open mind, and I’m so glad I did.
I consider myself a pro-gun advocate, but I admit, the pro-gun comments in response are long winded, completely paranoid, and pretty blatantly wrong. They are the perfect example of why gun advocates are no longer being taken seriously.
If we want to keep our guns, we need to become educated on what the majority of the country wants: gun control, starting with universal background checks, then try again.
Michael Sullivan
April 12, 2019 at 12:10 pmCars are really dangerous. Many people die every day in car accidents. It’s almost like they were designed to kill.
Many accidents are caused by incompetent drivers. An incompetent driver turns a car into a deadly weapon.
I am not sure that Design Mom is a competent driver. She might talk on her phone while driving. More people die from distracted driving than from mass shootings in the USA. I need to take away her car until I have had time to make sure she is mentally fit to drive.
I am coming for your car, Design Mom.
How does that feel?
Peter Clark
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