Comments on: Talismans http://www.designmom.com/2012/12/talismans/ The Intersection of Design & Motherhood Thu, 30 Oct 2014 09:11:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Evil Eyes Part I « pattytmitchell http://www.designmom.com/2012/12/talismans/comment-page-1/#comment-431463 Evil Eyes Part I « pattytmitchell Fri, 18 Jan 2013 00:42:42 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=27469#comment-431463 [...] Talismans (designmom.com) Share this:MoreLike this:LikeOne blogger likes this. [...]

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By: Tiger’s Eye « jazfagan http://www.designmom.com/2012/12/talismans/comment-page-1/#comment-430864 Tiger’s Eye « jazfagan Thu, 17 Jan 2013 06:13:57 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=27469#comment-430864 [...] Talismans (designmom.com) [...]

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By: Aryn http://www.designmom.com/2012/12/talismans/comment-page-1/#comment-417320 Aryn Wed, 05 Dec 2012 19:51:39 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=27469#comment-417320 I agree with you!

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By: Tricia http://www.designmom.com/2012/12/talismans/comment-page-1/#comment-417289 Tricia Wed, 05 Dec 2012 18:59:28 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=27469#comment-417289 “But, if you choose to wear SYMBOLS FROM ANOTHER CULTURE, here’s an example to think about:”

I left out some words there.

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By: Tricia http://www.designmom.com/2012/12/talismans/comment-page-1/#comment-417286 Tricia Wed, 05 Dec 2012 18:58:24 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=27469#comment-417286 Wearing potent symbols from other cultures makes me uncomfortable. I would want to be sure to do so in a way that was in keeping with how that particular culture approaches those symbols. I’m not really one for judging other people, so others should do what they’re comfortable with.

But, if you choose to wear here’s an example to think about: If I see someone wearing a chai necklace, a star of David, or a mezuzah, my first thought is going to be that they, like me, are Jewish and that Judaism is very important to them. That’s the message they’re sending. If, instead, they say that they just think it’s pretty or that it goes with their outfit or something similar, that is inevitably going to tell me something about their respect for me and my religion.

So, be aware of the messages you are sending.

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By: mary http://www.designmom.com/2012/12/talismans/comment-page-1/#comment-417184 mary Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:50:20 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=27469#comment-417184 Awesome discussion. I don’t often accessorize myself, bu after major disaster’s happen, I tend to pull out my silver saint/devotional ‘charms’ and wear them on a simple chain as a reminder to say extra prayers.

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By: courtney http://www.designmom.com/2012/12/talismans/comment-page-1/#comment-417179 courtney Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:44:10 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=27469#comment-417179 It’s not a religious symbol, but I wear an Celtic Tree of Life necklace to symbolize my Irish heritage. I also have been given or have bought quite a few Claddagh rings or bracelets over the years.

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By: Lisa Scott http://www.designmom.com/2012/12/talismans/comment-page-1/#comment-417134 Lisa Scott Wed, 05 Dec 2012 14:09:03 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=27469#comment-417134 A Christian symbol dating back to Solomon and Queen of Sheba. Strong national symbol of Ethiopia, as it represents their history, particularly for Orthodox Christians. Also translated into the reggae movment when the rasafarian saw Haile Salassie, as a desendent of King Solomon and Queen of Sheba, as the returned Messiah.

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By: Design Mom http://www.designmom.com/2012/12/talismans/comment-page-1/#comment-417106 Design Mom Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:34:33 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=27469#comment-417106 Those are two interesting examples. With the henna, we’re talking about a tradition that’s practiced by millions of people over hundreds? thousands? of years. Some of those people consider henna tattoos sacred. Others offer them up at festival booths. It seems like a good opportunity to think the best of people and assume that someone experimenting with henna isn’t trying to disrespect a culture or religion.

As for Mormon underwear, I find it a less relevant example because it’s not an outward symbol. If a not-mormon was wearing the underwear, no one would have any idea simply because it’s worn under clothing. Would I feel icky if I knew they were? I’ve been thinking about that, and no, I guess I wouldn’t. I’d feel curious, but not icky. That said, I can think of many friends who *would* be uncomfortable with it.

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By: Design Mom http://www.designmom.com/2012/12/talismans/comment-page-1/#comment-417100 Design Mom Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:18:53 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=27469#comment-417100 The Flaming Chalice sounds beautiful, Pamela!

Speaking of Native Americans, my oldest brother is a Navajo and I grew up in a mixed-race household. My parents spent many years of their careers working with Native American tribes in New Mexico, Alaska and Southern California, and our house was full of jewelry, artwork, rugs, artifacts and other Native American cultural items. In many cases these were gifts, in other cases they were purchases in support of a tribe or community.

I can imagine that if a stranger had visited our home they would have assumed we were trying to appropriate another culture, but that certainly wasn’t the case.

The Victoria Secret instance is a great example of cultural borrowing gone bad, but I feel like most of the time I witness borrowing, especially among individuals, there is an earnest story behind it.

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By: Design Mom http://www.designmom.com/2012/12/talismans/comment-page-1/#comment-417099 Design Mom Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:18:31 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=27469#comment-417099 The tricky thing with symbols is that the same ones are used by multiple cultures and religions — sometimes with totally different meanings.

You’ll laugh, but I just remembered the Rosslyn Chapel that is apparently covered in all sorts of symbols — which I first read about in The Da Vinci Code. (I know, I know. It’s a blue chip historial source. : ) Does any one know if the Rosslyn Chapel really is covered in symbols?

In the St. George Tabernacle, one of the very oldest Mormon buildings, there is a very big “all seeing eye” at the head of the chapel that used to kind of freak me out as a child. I’ve never seen it used in any other Mormon architecture.

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By: Design Mom http://www.designmom.com/2012/12/talismans/comment-page-1/#comment-417095 Design Mom Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:10:00 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=27469#comment-417095 I’m not familiar with the term “Lion of Judah”. Off to look it up.

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By: Design Mom http://www.designmom.com/2012/12/talismans/comment-page-1/#comment-417094 Design Mom Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:09:25 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=27469#comment-417094 I wonder how often the “borrowing” comes about in the form of a gift. I’ve been given jewelry gifts with religious symbols (not from my own religion) on 3 separate occasions.

Obviously, the gift-givers had no issues with me wearing their symbols, though it’s clear others *would* be bothered.

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By: alli http://www.designmom.com/2012/12/talismans/comment-page-1/#comment-417057 alli Wed, 05 Dec 2012 07:04:03 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=27469#comment-417057 fascinating discussion…. i agree, it’s inappropriate to ‘borrow’ symbols from faiths which practice beliefs that you do not practice- even when it’s done in what we think is a respectful way. i think it’s a bit culturally naive. i recently spoke to an indian woman living in america who said that it’s offensive when people absentmindedly get henna tattoos without honoring the culture from which they come, including but not limited to, like another poster said, the persecution, trails, and hardship they have been through… when we adopt a symbol and no other pieces of a culture or religion we are almost pretending that the rest doesn’t exist. in some cases, like with the indian woman, the symbolism is beautiful- henna is worn by women getting married as a symbol of the strength and love in their marriage. but, when young women who aren’t hindu apply henna to themselves without thinking, they disrespect the deep and meaningful relationship and symbolism that henna has to hindu women. in the same respect, imagine if a non-mormon decided to wear undergarments for an arbitrary reason unrelated to the reasons that a mormon wears them, EVEN if they believed that the original reason was nice… it feels kind of icky, no? by doing that, my relationship and decision to wear undergarments feels less meaningful.

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By: Huda http://www.designmom.com/2012/12/talismans/comment-page-1/#comment-416974 Huda Wed, 05 Dec 2012 03:10:42 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=27469#comment-416974 I’m Muslim and I make it a point to not borrow any religious-belief-laced jewelry or sculptures from other religions for many reasons. I don’t get the point of wearing something that I don’t believe in, and I’m also not sure if it would offend people from another religion, y’know? Even though I have no issues with non-Muslims wearing Islamic architecture or calligraphy inspired jewelry or clothing :)

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By: Pamela Balabuszko-Reay http://www.designmom.com/2012/12/talismans/comment-page-1/#comment-416967 Pamela Balabuszko-Reay Wed, 05 Dec 2012 03:01:41 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=27469#comment-416967 I have a necklace with the Flaming Chalice on it. It is the symbol for Unitarian Universalists. It is the sign of us making a covenant one to another to live our faith’s teachings. At the beginning of each service we say words for the Lighting of the Chalice. The Chalice is extinguished at the end of the service when we Go In Peace… to bring our light to the greater world.

I do think we need to be mindful of what others’ symbols mean to them. Mindful being the key. Let’s not do the Victoria Secret thing and dress like Native Americans for “the look”. If you have genuine respect for the culture and beliefs of any religion that is a different story.

As some have pointed out- just as religious teachings tend to have more that is similar than different so do the symbols that arise from those religions.

Sometimes a symbol can be the gateway to understanding.

As they say at the end of our sermons in Church. Amen, and may it be so.

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By: sara http://www.designmom.com/2012/12/talismans/comment-page-1/#comment-416927 sara Wed, 05 Dec 2012 02:00:08 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=27469#comment-416927 I agree, as a Jew it makes me feel weird. Learning about the culture and the traditions, sure. But borrowing a belief feels weird. Maybe its because we aren’t a proselytizing culture, I don’t know, but it just rubs me the wrong way a little bit.

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By: Aryn http://www.designmom.com/2012/12/talismans/comment-page-1/#comment-416908 Aryn Wed, 05 Dec 2012 01:38:17 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=27469#comment-416908 Evil eyes and Chamsas are Jewish symbols, as well. Actually, Chamsa is even the Jewish word for it – Muslims call it the hand of Fatima. In Yiddish, we call evil eyes “Kein ayin hara” which means “no evil eye,” but of course it gets shortened to just “ayin hara” or evil eye.

I would be a little weirded out if a gentile or a Jewish religious symbol – maybe not the Chamsa or ayin hara – but a star or mezuzah has a much deeper significance.

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By: Lisa http://www.designmom.com/2012/12/talismans/comment-page-1/#comment-416894 Lisa Wed, 05 Dec 2012 00:54:32 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=27469#comment-416894 Although Im not religious, I wear a beautiful silver Lion of Judah around my neck. I bought it in the silver market in Addis last winter and it keeps me close to the country I love and my daughters history.

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By: spages http://www.designmom.com/2012/12/talismans/comment-page-1/#comment-416860 spages Wed, 05 Dec 2012 00:10:40 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=27469#comment-416860 I am a former Mormon who wears a hamsa, a star of David, a crescent moon, a Buddha and a cross daily on my necklace(s). To me, it is a wonderful reminder of where I have been, both physically and spiritually, and where I hope to go.
Since I don’t really have “a” faith, but rather an amalgamation of what I *hope* to be true, these symbols have come to represent what I hope God is.

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