Comments on: Private Boards The Intersection of Design & Motherhood Wed, 26 Nov 2014 01:08:31 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jess Jess Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:41:22 +0000 Secret boards were my tipping point – I’ve finally got Pinterest! I’ve been thinking about it as somewhere to gather/share all the best things I come across, so I’m super excited. It’s celebration themed :) If you click on my name it’ll take you through.

And I’ll probably use the secret boards to bookmark DIYs and recipes which look awesome, but I haven’t tried yet (I feel like I can’t endorse if I haven’t tested. Is that odd?), or really cool things which we’re in the wrong season for (“Oh. My. Best Halloween idea ever! But it’s February …”)

By: Meg Meg Mon, 12 Nov 2012 12:15:04 +0000 I’ve ear marked mine for presents for people! Now I can direct them to my wishlists without fear they’ll see something for themselves ;)

By: Liz Liz Mon, 12 Nov 2012 00:05:34 +0000 I was so excited about the secret boards when I got the email. It allows me to collect baby related pins without letting anybody in on the fact that I am pregnant.

By: PinonCoffee PinonCoffee Sun, 11 Nov 2012 22:37:23 +0000 I think I’m going to use one of my private boards for exercise routines. :-) I feel it’s slightly indelicate to talk about exercise (ahem) in public. Strange, I know.

My husband the attorney says about the secret boards: “and in 3… 2… 1… ‘What do you mean you can subpoena those pinboards?!’” Apparently he keeps coming across people who don’t realize things they post on Facebook can be used against them in court. So there you have another perspective on Pinterest!

By: Bonnie @ the pin junkie Bonnie @ the pin junkie Sun, 11 Nov 2012 18:10:22 +0000 I’m using one of my secret boards for ideas of gifts I’d like to buy or make for other people. I’m not sure what I’m using my other two secret boards for yet.

By: julie julie Sat, 10 Nov 2012 04:19:25 +0000 I love this idea and I’m very grateful to Ben! I like to take time to slowly ponder collections sometimes, and this will be a great meditation place before I decide to share with others.

By: Caddy Caddy Sat, 10 Nov 2012 03:35:04 +0000 As a great lover of Pinterest I’m thrilled about the new private pin boards! But I’m still too shy to say what I’d put on mine though I’m working out some ideas. I’m enjoying reading everyone else’s comments though.

By: Kari Kari Sat, 10 Nov 2012 00:07:54 +0000 A baby board so people will stop assuming I’m pregnant. So annoying! Especially when I don’t want to share that we are trying or had a miscarriage or something.

By: Design Mom Design Mom Fri, 09 Nov 2012 22:22:49 +0000 Not snooty! I totally know what you mean. Historically, I have used my “like” button that way. I might like something instead of pin it so that it doesn’t show up on my boards. (But I know it still shows up in my likes — so it’s not ideal.)

By: Design Mom Design Mom Fri, 09 Nov 2012 22:21:11 +0000 You’re such an excellent blogging model, Isabel! The community is lucky to have you. I think you’re so smart to think about, decide on, and publish a specific photo usage policy and content usage policy.

I imagine simply stating publicly what your policy is deters many people (not all!) who would otherwise take it.

I hope the unwelcome taking of content slowed down since you instituted the policy.

By: holly holly Fri, 09 Nov 2012 21:17:56 +0000 Yeah, I’m not just talking about the movement from traditional to digital but the next step which is murkier. The “aggregator” movement. For example, from itunes to spotify/pandora. And valuing content, not just exposure/content.

Here’s a specific example, for every 10,000 plays I have on spotify, I get 10 dollars. Spotify would say those people are then going to buy your track. Evidence does not support this idea. Well, they’ll come to your show. And, I guess they think, buy CDs out of my guitar case. Ugh. It’s condescending on some level.

I guess if your business is only about traffic it works. But most of us have to convert to sales at some point.

You’d have to license an awful lot of tracks to make a living imo. I see how it’s good for you — as a consumer – to license tracks. Music is far cheaper than it has ever been. It’s never been hard to license music, but it’s never been this cheap. Most artists would have to license a track every other day to make that work. In addition to composing, recording, doing the sales, legwork, etc.

PS, Almondine had small business insurance, it’s just not as helpful as youd think in a flood.

By: Jenni Bailey Jenni Bailey Fri, 09 Nov 2012 20:24:01 +0000 This might sound a little snooty but I plan to use my private boards for the things that I see on Pinterest and want to remember but don’t necessarily want to co-sign as part of my personal “brand.” For example, cleaning tips or crafts that are poorly photographed. I like the way my boards look and I try to keep them consistent – for my own satisfaction if nothing else – and I have passed on many a pin that just didn’t fit the look. I’m not using Pinterest as a money making part of my business efforts but I still feel like, if I’m going to put my name on something, it should be something I really believe to be beautiful.

Now that I re-read that, I’m afraid it sounds a lot snooty. I hope not. Because creating pinnable content (with great photography) is a growing skill and I’m really encouraged by how much GOOD stuff is on there. It’s just not 100% yet.

By: Design Mom Design Mom Fri, 09 Nov 2012 19:38:08 +0000 Well. We certainly think about this differently.

As for the music industry, I still disagree. In my experience it’s so much wider than it used to be. I’ve bought a different song (or rights to use a song) for every video I’ve made, from artists I never would have heard of without the fall of the traditional music industry. These are artists that would have no way to promote themselves without the internet. They’re making a living at this.

As for Pinterest, I believe I understand the theory of the problem, but I don’t see the theory playing out. The #1 content on Pinterest is DIYs. If I’m on Pinterest and see a DIY I want to try, I’m going to click through to find the full instructions. If I click through and it doesn’t seem to go to the DIY post, but I really want that DIY, a quick search will find the source. I just don’t see this as a big problem. Do you feel people are using Pinterest to take credit for other people’s work? If that’s happening, I’m not seeing it. I see people promoting other people’s work.

It makes me think of one of your earlier examples: “Here’s an idea. How about a blog where I just lift the best of everyone’s content – writing, photos, everyone. Sometimes I’ll link, sometimes not (altho linking at that point wouldn’t be helpful).”

I know this exact thing happens. I’ve seen it happen to my very own content, and it simply doesn’t bother me. My current business model is based on traffic. Am I receiving less traffic if they repost my content? Nope. And if they partially post my content, and then link back, I might even receive more traffic. And if they have amazing taste and find the very best blog posts from among the millions of blogs out there that I don’t have time to read, then I would probably LOVE that blog.

I think the sharing-of-ideas-freely over the last decade (including Pinterest) has spurred creation and creativity overall, not stifled it.

I’m so sorry to hear about your baker friend. How devastating! But I hope we can save small business insurance discussions (as an entrepreneur, something I care about!) for another post.

By: holly holly Fri, 09 Nov 2012 18:44:43 +0000 The music business is now all headliners and nobody making “enough”. I realize it’s counter-intuitive, but there it is.

I live in Brooklyn. This morning I was working to help the guy who owns a great bakery in DUMBO. He’s been there for years — way before most businesses down there.. And yet? When flooded? No insurance. All his equipment ruined. All gone. A grown, proud man in tears. He probably won’t reopen.

Nevermind,= health insurance. Does anyone in Brooklyn have health insurance?

If someone has a artisanal jam company, I would imagine things are pretty close to the edge, financially. I mean, it sounds romantic but… if someone posts that recipe online? Yes, THAT is exactly what I have a problem with.

By: Design Mom Design Mom Fri, 09 Nov 2012 18:20:25 +0000 I 100% agree with you on J.Crew example. People need to be clear and honest about how they’re making money. Period.

As for your last line, it’s funny, but I always feel awkward when I pin my own images. I do it now and then, but somehow, I feel like I serve my Pinterest followers better when I’m “discovering” content beyond what I’ve created.

I like your example of the music industry, but I’m not sure how for the metaphor goes for me. It seems like the trend in America is going from huge businesses to small artisan businesses. (Applied to the music industry, I imagine is looks like a lot less “headliner” bands that make hundreds of millions, but many more bands that will make “enough”.) I think the return to tiny companies is happening in every industry. And I think for many of these cottage companies, Pinterest is a huge help in promotion.

If I make small batches of jam, and take beautiful photos of the product and it goes viral on Pinterest, that’s good. I could even share the exact recipe, and I would still make money! Because at the end of the day most people just don’t want to make their own jam. I may not ever be a Smuckers Major Manufacturer, but I can build a business that doesn’t require me to work 80+ hours per week. I can earn less, but have a better quality of life.

At the American Made event in NY, I attended a panel of 4 Brooklyn artisans and that was their story across the board.

By: Design Mom Design Mom Fri, 09 Nov 2012 18:04:49 +0000 Oh good! I couldn’t imagine you wouldn’t be thumbs up for private boards.

By: holly holly Fri, 09 Nov 2012 18:00:15 +0000 >>And do you feel people that try to make a living via creating, are not served by Pinterest at all?<<

This will be a retread of the illegal music downloading evolution of 10-20 years ago. Sure, it eventually got – mostly – legalized, but it killed the recorded music business. Sure, it gave people exposure but eventually value was completely taken out of recorded music. NOBODY sells what they used to sell. Not a fraction. Sure, it's great exposure to get your music out there, but all the money is now in concerts and commercial licensing so unless you are band selling out pretty big venues or you get a car commercial, you are out of luck if you want to earn a living.

OF course, you know who is still making money? The distributor. In the olden days, distributors were all pretty yucky to work with. You got paid late, if ever, altho they did do advances. Anyway, now there are a handful. Apple, amazon, etc. They're making money.

I think Pinterest has been really awful in that they haven't disclosed how and when they get paid, as distributors. If say, someone clicks thru that target site and buys dishes. See: entire Skimlinks fiasco. I know they've stopped that, but only because it was bad press and they're working on their own affiliate marketing program. Taking it in-house in other words.

I'm okay with people pinning things they have created or things they have permission to pin. But if they are getting paid for it, I think that needs to be disclosed. If you take a pin a picture of yourself in a J Crew coat, then post it with a link to the J Crew site, and then get paid when people buy the J Crew coat … argh… I think that needs to be disclosed.

And let's be honest. What percentage of pinners are pinning content they created? Less than 1%? I have no issue with that.

By: Kristi C Kristi C Fri, 09 Nov 2012 17:40:34 +0000 I was so thrilled when I found out about private boards! I wish I had them when I was planning my wedding earlier this year. I’ll be using it for gift ideas, and for collecting things ‘for the future’ so no one thinks I’m expecting when I’m not.

By: holly holly Fri, 09 Nov 2012 17:35:32 +0000 If all pinterest boards were private, I’d have no issue at all. hurray! that would be great!

I’m saying private boards are fine, but they don’t resolve the central issue many people have with pinterest.

By: Isabel @alphamom Isabel @alphamom Fri, 09 Nov 2012 17:21:08 +0000 i agree!

It bothers me that lots of sites have discovered that Pinterest delivers traffic and they have started “curating” in order to siphon traffic from original content owners.

Whenever I find something i want to pin i go as far back to the original content creator, not the “curator.” (BTW– Tumblr is a big prob too). I have also recently published my site policies (which I have always just shared via email when requested), and made them a bit stricter for usage of pictures of our original content. I used to allow for use of two pics, now only one. Also, i explicitly don’t allow for modification of photos like adding banners and text over the photos because it gives the impression that the photos belong to them.

I also have listed that no idea info can be used with our photos (i have always had this policy). Some sites think they are so clever. They ask for use of your photo(s) then list the supplies or, at worse, rewrite/translate your directions “in their own words.”

They always try to hide behind the “pshaw, but we’re linking to you!” claim. PLEASE. I got your number. Don’t try and pull that nonsense on me.

You want to link up? Great, post one picture and an attributed link (with your own editorial commentary like– “look, how great”) and that’s it.