Comments on: A Picture of a Picture of a Magazine Ad of a Myth http://www.designmom.com/2012/11/a-picture-of-a-picture-of-a-magazine-ad-of-a-myth/ The Intersection of Design & Motherhood Mon, 15 Dec 2014 04:53:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Oliver http://www.designmom.com/2012/11/a-picture-of-a-picture-of-a-magazine-ad-of-a-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-953756 Oliver Sun, 20 Jul 2014 13:52:09 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=25714#comment-953756 Obviously Richard Prince was more a museum curator than an artist. He found nice works made by others and exhibited it. Should he pay for it?
Yes of course. Otherwise we could all just take a copy of a song and add say a word START in the start and END in end to claim the artistic statement, that everything has a start and an end. But however much art, that may be, we would still have stolen a song in between the START and the END. Is Richard Price any different?

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By: Design Mom http://www.designmom.com/2012/11/a-picture-of-a-picture-of-a-magazine-ad-of-a-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-459719 Design Mom Fri, 03 May 2013 11:30:49 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=25714#comment-459719 Oh dear! Just seeing your comment today, and can see I also missed your emails. No doubt they are hanging out in my inbox. I really do work hard to stay on top of email, but there’s no question it often overwhelms me. My apologies for not responding to your emails.

Like I mentioned in my comment to Kate, I’ve been told all the prints were shipped. I hope you’ve received yours!

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By: Design Mom http://www.designmom.com/2012/11/a-picture-of-a-picture-of-a-magazine-ad-of-a-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-459718 Design Mom Fri, 03 May 2013 11:26:43 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=25714#comment-459718 Hi Kate. My apologies for the slow reply to your comment. I haven’t been watching this thread and didn’t see it until today.

Last I heard all the prints had shipped. Are you still missing yours?

And I’m so sorry if this project wasn’t what you were expecting. I imagine when you made your donation, it was assumed that there was a stack of prints ready to ship out, as if from an online shop. But really, this was an art project and involved experimentation. I know my brother tried 3 different printers in attempts to get the best quality — and I don’t think that process even started till after the holidays. It sounds like the whole thing took much longer than you were expecting.

Mostly, I’m sorry that he didn’t respond to your emails as quickly as a shop owner would have. I’m sure it was very frustrating.

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By: Design Mom http://www.designmom.com/2012/11/a-picture-of-a-picture-of-a-magazine-ad-of-a-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-459716 Design Mom Fri, 03 May 2013 11:16:54 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=25714#comment-459716 So glad you shared the link, Lisa. I’m fascinated! I’m going to link to the article on my Friday link list.

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By: Lisa Mackin http://www.designmom.com/2012/11/a-picture-of-a-picture-of-a-magazine-ad-of-a-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-458278 Lisa Mackin Fri, 26 Apr 2013 01:33:37 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=25714#comment-458278 http://music.yahoo.com/news/artist-richard-prince-didnt-infringe-photo-copyrights-u-182257589–sector.html

Oh stink – this guy’s at it again. And now he’s got a judge agreeing that he didn’t infringe on anyone’s copyrights. But the real stinger is that Prince is raking in far more dough than the original artist could even fathom. You’d think he would at least have the decency to throw him a percentage of each COPY he sold.

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By: H. Murphy http://www.designmom.com/2012/11/a-picture-of-a-picture-of-a-magazine-ad-of-a-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-449087 H. Murphy Tue, 26 Mar 2013 15:38:16 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=25714#comment-449087 Same here, Kate. My husband paid $100 and never received the print. This was one of my big Christmas presents. December came and went, then my February birthday, then our March wedding. We have each emailed a number of times, and I even included Gabrielle on my emails, and….crickets. Very disappointing.

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By: Kate http://www.designmom.com/2012/11/a-picture-of-a-picture-of-a-magazine-ad-of-a-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-441840 Kate Mon, 04 Mar 2013 15:43:27 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=25714#comment-441840 I was so excited to donate and really liked the project. I had far fewer issues than others here in the discussion. Unfortunately, after donating, I heard the prints were being shipped…..but mine never came. Followed up twice with Josh and heard nothing back. It’s too bad. I thought Kickstarter was more legit so I hope others didn’t have this issue too.

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By: Anne http://www.designmom.com/2012/11/a-picture-of-a-picture-of-a-magazine-ad-of-a-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-417820 Anne Thu, 06 Dec 2012 15:00:15 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=25714#comment-417820 This is plagiarism. Period.

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By: Sara http://www.designmom.com/2012/11/a-picture-of-a-picture-of-a-magazine-ad-of-a-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-409532 Sara Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:54:44 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=25714#comment-409532 I actually had a whole long comment written on this post the other day, and then my computer crashed (don’t you just hate when that happens ;)?). Anyway, I didn’t have time to red0 it then, but I kept thinking about this post and decided to come back and try to rewrite it.

Personally, I just LOVE discussions of “What is art?” From when I was in high school and got into a debate with an English teacher about the value of non-representational modern paintings, to college class discussions about Marcel Duchamp’s “Readymades” and John Cage’s compositions (including that one that was just silence), to the surprising exhibits at contemporary art museums everywhere, I just love when art causes a conversation. Questioning it, seeing how others view or present something in a way that is unexpected, to me can actually make any given piece “art.” I love more traditional art, too, but I also enjoy art that I may or my not even find appealing in any sort of aesthetic way (unlike this photo, photo-of-a-photo, or photo-of-a-photo-of-a-photo, which is quite beautiful) just because of the they way it makes you think.

I don’t know much about the legal aspects of this particular situation; it’s been great to read all of the other comments. I think any creative person is entitled to owning their work, so I can absolutely see both sides, but I’m really enjoying the conversation. I like your tie in to Pinterest, too…and am wondering if any of these issues or questions are different for the new secret boards.

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By: Lisa Mackin http://www.designmom.com/2012/11/a-picture-of-a-picture-of-a-magazine-ad-of-a-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-409510 Lisa Mackin Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:01:40 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=25714#comment-409510 If we were closer I’d stop by for tea! Still checking in to see more comments on this post. The whole topic has me intrigued.

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By: B http://www.designmom.com/2012/11/a-picture-of-a-picture-of-a-magazine-ad-of-a-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-408885 B Fri, 09 Nov 2012 02:47:55 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=25714#comment-408885 Did anyone else bother to watch the video? The original photographer called the copying of his photograph a “sin.” He very clearly calls it copying, and says the art world has a lot to answer to.

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By: Michelle http://www.designmom.com/2012/11/a-picture-of-a-picture-of-a-magazine-ad-of-a-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-408758 Michelle Thu, 08 Nov 2012 23:18:14 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=25714#comment-408758 I can appreciate that. Thanks for taking the time to respond, and thanks for bringing this conversation to your blog (which, in my little world, feels enormous)! It obviously got the wheels in my head turning. :)

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By: Design Mom http://www.designmom.com/2012/11/a-picture-of-a-picture-of-a-magazine-ad-of-a-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-408650 Design Mom Thu, 08 Nov 2012 21:37:52 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=25714#comment-408650 Another interesting point of view! A commenter above thinks of it in the opposite way.

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By: Design Mom http://www.designmom.com/2012/11/a-picture-of-a-picture-of-a-magazine-ad-of-a-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-408647 Design Mom Thu, 08 Nov 2012 21:36:41 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=25714#comment-408647 I don’t know how much of his goal is to have an object exist. More than creating an object, it seems like he’s wanting to make a BIG PUBLIC statement. Bigger than a blog post.

P.S. — I also responded to a part of your comment in my response to Michelle below.

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By: Design Mom http://www.designmom.com/2012/11/a-picture-of-a-picture-of-a-magazine-ad-of-a-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-408639 Design Mom Thu, 08 Nov 2012 21:33:13 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=25714#comment-408639 I agree with you and Nicole that by publishing this here “the statement has been made” but I think this is a very small discussion, so the statement has only been made in a small way. Though I’m delighted with the size of it, in the publishing and blogging world, my blog is ultimately quite small.

He didn’t tell me this, but I imagine Josh wants to generate the same conversations that are happening in this comment section on a much larger scale. And by doing something hugely public — like printing the image on a billboard in a city of millions — he’s more likely to instigate those conversations.

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By: Design Mom http://www.designmom.com/2012/11/a-picture-of-a-picture-of-a-magazine-ad-of-a-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-408631 Design Mom Thu, 08 Nov 2012 21:26:49 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=25714#comment-408631 Oh my goodness, Andrea! Hah! That is fantastic.

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By: Design Mom http://www.designmom.com/2012/11/a-picture-of-a-picture-of-a-magazine-ad-of-a-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-408630 Design Mom Thu, 08 Nov 2012 21:26:05 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=25714#comment-408630 You may be out of step with the Met, but I think you’re in step with the commenters here. : )

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By: Design Mom http://www.designmom.com/2012/11/a-picture-of-a-picture-of-a-magazine-ad-of-a-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-408624 Design Mom Thu, 08 Nov 2012 21:23:33 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=25714#comment-408624 I’d agree, Sara. I think he’s trying to raise these questions. I think discussions like this are part of his goal.

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By: Sara http://www.designmom.com/2012/11/a-picture-of-a-picture-of-a-magazine-ad-of-a-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-408509 Sara Thu, 08 Nov 2012 17:09:34 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=25714#comment-408509 What Jackie said!

Her brother said this: “My image questions the value and aura of the photograph if it can be copied and re-purposed at will. We are printing a picture of a picture of a magazine ad of a myth.”

So it seems like raising these questions is sort of the point. :)

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By: Michelle http://www.designmom.com/2012/11/a-picture-of-a-picture-of-a-magazine-ad-of-a-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-408351 Michelle Thu, 08 Nov 2012 06:57:25 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=25714#comment-408351 Hi there! As someone from the legal field who does freelance graphic design, I can’t quite get this post out of my mind, even though it’s probably almost on the second page of your blog by now. That the comments are so thoughtful obviously doesn’t help!

I think there are several questions here. There’s a legal question – ultimately, it’s either legal or it’s not. That’s for the lawyers to battle out. Then, there’s an overlapping ethical and moral question which several other comments address. The notion of profiting from another person’s creation, whether or not you’re adjusting it, is probably tough for most of us to swallow… Unless, of course, you’re the one profiting from it, either financially or just from the publicity it brings. Lastly, there’s an artistic question, which also has been covered here. In my opinion, it would have been more interesting if your brother had taken a viewpoint on it, and until then, perhaps the emperor really isn’t wearing any clothes.

The Met made a choice to hang the photo because they appear to think (based on their own description of the work) that Prince’s piece was innovative as a concept in re-rendering. But what statement is your brother making by putting the same image on a billboard? What’s bold about copying an image from Pinterest (that come via a blog via Tumblr via a professional photographer) and posting it in yet another forum? It seems in this case like your brother is contributing to the “un-boldness” rather than the visionary approach high art is going for.

Personally, I agree with other reviewers that this “feels” like plagiarism. He’s pushing the envelope. As a fellow pusher, I respect that. But I want this to have a deeper meaning ascribed to it – a spark – something larger than just a “reproduction of a reproduction,” which feels sort of… boring. I also agree with the comment above that the statement has been made. Your post and this discussion is a statement in and of itself. Frankly, as an LA resident, seeing the billboard would steal from that purity.

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