Comments on: School Update http://www.designmom.com/2012/06/school-update/ The Intersection of Design & Motherhood Mon, 12 May 2014 19:31:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: French Reader http://www.designmom.com/2012/06/school-update/comment-page-1/#comment-825379 French Reader Mon, 06 Jan 2014 23:27:12 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=20478#comment-825379 I am French. I went to public French schools in the 70s and spent time after that in Italian and American schools. I don’t recall any of the criticism which is a far cry for remotely being constructive; however, I do recall in the US while doing my bachelor the grades being handed out out loud in a few classes with the same intent.

My point being, don’t generalize.

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By: Linda http://www.designmom.com/2012/06/school-update/comment-page-1/#comment-715964 Linda Tue, 03 Sep 2013 14:38:31 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=20478#comment-715964 This was a very interesting read for me! I am fifty-three now but when I was three years old my family moved to France (Laon) and stayed until I was six. I don’t have as many memories as I would wish but I do remember the script writing. When we moved back to the states I got in trouble for using it in school! No one that age could write in cursive. So I had to revert back to print. I also remember eating the best waffles ever in French school and we had a pet hamster. OH and yes I do remember a scolding. A teacher pinned a yellow note to the front of my dress for my mom to see. I don’t remember what I did wrong but I was so humiliated and I think my mom had company that day when I got home. Also I learned to speak fluent French but completely forgot all of it at some point when we moved back home. When I took French in high school I barely made an F! That made me crazy.

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By: Kay http://www.designmom.com/2012/06/school-update/comment-page-1/#comment-625631 Kay Sun, 18 Aug 2013 10:46:09 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=20478#comment-625631 In my high school in England, we had a maths teacher from Italy, and she was the only teacher who read our results in front of the whole class, and also criticised publicly. It may be a continental European thing, as British teachers rarely do this. I think French schools also display major exam results on the wall for everyone to see, whereas in England it’s given privately to the individual student. But bear in mind, education is much more important for a job in France. French employers demand a university degree much more than English employers, so French kids are groomed from a very early age for this.

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By: cgwena http://www.designmom.com/2012/06/school-update/comment-page-1/#comment-513467 cgwena Wed, 03 Jul 2013 11:49:37 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=20478#comment-513467 You can find them on Amazon :

Notebooks are here (you have to take those with “grands carreaux”…): http://www.amazon.fr/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_6?__mk_fr_FR=ÅMÅZÕÑ&url=search-alias%3Doffice-products&field-keywords=cahier&sprefix=cahier%2Coffice-products%2C201&rh=n%3A192419031%2Ck%3Acahier

Fountain pens :http://www.amazon.fr/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?__mk_fr_FR=ÅMÅZÕÑ&url=search-alias%3Doffice-products&field-keywords=stylo+plume

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By: cgwena http://www.designmom.com/2012/06/school-update/comment-page-1/#comment-513456 cgwena Wed, 03 Jul 2013 11:24:45 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=20478#comment-513456 I know it’s been more than a year now, I don’t know if you found it, but if not, you cant print it from this website : http://www.jardinalysse.com/affichage-alphabets-en-differentes-ecritures-a39949874

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By: cgwena http://www.designmom.com/2012/06/school-update/comment-page-1/#comment-513445 cgwena Wed, 03 Jul 2013 11:06:27 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=20478#comment-513445 I have to react to that comment!!!

I’m a french primary school teacher, I teach in 4th grade, and 2 of my pupils are declared dyslexics (and I suspect some 2 or 3 more are too, but parents won’t hear about it…). They have someone to help them part-time with everything they have to write down, as it is their main difficulty, but they can follow most of what’s done during the day. And their penmanship is perfect…

I have other pupils who have difficulties writing in cursive (but I think their writing wouldn’t be perfect in printing either), but they’ve been learning to write this way for 4 years now and we really teach them, show them how to form letters and they’ve practiced a lot, so it’s natural to them… It’s certainly more difficult if you’ve learned to write in printing and then asked to write in cursive without anyone telling you how to do it…

As for inclusion, it is compulsory now (it’s been for almost 10 years now), every children must have access to school, whatever their handicap may be… It’s not always easy because some of them need extra help, so people are hired, but they’re not always trained, and have to learn how to do their job in the classroom, while they know nothing about dyslexia for example… And I think THAT’s a shame!!!

Finally, some children with great difficulties are going in other classes in classic schools or in other places, but they’re not learning nothing there, trained teachers are in charge of these classes where their difficulties are taken into account, and they can learn at their own rhythm because they are only 15 max, and that’s not possible in 28 children-classes…

What Lorena depicts is the situation that existed 30 years ago, when I was at school, but things have changed since!

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By: Anne Kreder http://www.designmom.com/2012/06/school-update/comment-page-1/#comment-504903 Anne Kreder Wed, 19 Jun 2013 00:02:14 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=20478#comment-504903 Any suggestions for purchasing French notebooks and fountain pens online for students practicing penmanship?

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By: Lorena http://www.designmom.com/2012/06/school-update/comment-page-1/#comment-460570 Lorena Thu, 09 May 2013 12:03:15 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=20478#comment-460570 Susie, there are very few French public or private schools that would even accept your child to begin with. Your son would, in all probability, be sent to the Institute right after maternelle and he would have to get therapy (not really an education) and not be around peers much. Even just small reading problems, etc… are often used as a means of pushing a child out of school and into the institute medico-educatif world, or making them repeat a grade. It is against the law, as the country tries to enforce inclusion, but it doesn’t happen much in practice here.

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By: Lorena http://www.designmom.com/2012/06/school-update/comment-page-1/#comment-460569 Lorena Thu, 09 May 2013 11:47:18 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=20478#comment-460569 I live in France and school my two children here and I agree completely with Sarah. To romanticize French schooling is really unwise and unrealistic — it is well-known fact that French schooling is a failure (witness the huge overhauls every few years here!) The French system doesn’t value creativity at all — for ex. my 6 yr. old with autism was told to form his body into a sculpture during “motricite” class, and he did with his arm swinging like a Calder he had seen at MOMA and the teacher held him up as an example of what not to do! They do not value creativity in students! French university level (where I also teach) is dismal and fraught with problems — I find that students are not motivated, won’t participate except begrudgingly, if theyeven show up, and talk incessantly during class (gossipy and most students don’t pay any attention to the professor.) I could go on and on, including that 80% of kids with a “handicap” (which we wouldn’t consider a basis for pulling them out of school in the USA, but we do here in France!) are not schooled! That alone is an outrage.
Just warning you that when you actually really live in France, you will learn that French schooling is a “catastrophe!” My kids can’t wait to get back to the USA schools where positive and analytical thinking is valued by teachers, and teachers won’t be hitting (yes, hitting!) yelling and screaming at kids during classtime. That’s what it is really like.

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By: Lina http://www.designmom.com/2012/06/school-update/comment-page-1/#comment-445768 Lina Tue, 19 Mar 2013 03:10:06 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=20478#comment-445768 What a fascinating discussion this post has inspired! So interesting to hear what people’s experiences are in different countries.
I love that kids are learning cursive! The public announcement of grades is interesting.. in one sense I think it’s sort of horrific, but in another, if that’s the way it’s always been.. talk about creating motivation to try your best! Not a bad thing, really.

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By: Jasi http://www.designmom.com/2012/06/school-update/comment-page-1/#comment-389110 Jasi Mon, 24 Sep 2012 17:26:00 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=20478#comment-389110 I absolutely belong here. Down with cursive! Hours wasted. That said, I love the extra curricular activities here. I love the balance of responsibility and sensitivity toward students. Adore allowing for individualism and supporting team work. Cooperative sports, school art exhibits, music performances- all wonderful. My only gripe is our reluctance to adopt metric.

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By: Brandy @ The Prudent Homemaker http://www.designmom.com/2012/06/school-update/comment-page-1/#comment-388062 Brandy @ The Prudent Homemaker Sat, 22 Sep 2012 23:52:05 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=20478#comment-388062 As a homeschooling mother whose oldest has been slacking in math lately but still wants to play with her friends (to which we have been sayng “no”) I really appreaciate your perspective on this.

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By: Brandy @ The Prudent Homemaker http://www.designmom.com/2012/06/school-update/comment-page-1/#comment-388060 Brandy @ The Prudent Homemaker Sat, 22 Sep 2012 23:47:33 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=20478#comment-388060 Yes, please help us out here!

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By: Katie http://www.designmom.com/2012/06/school-update/comment-page-1/#comment-378511 Katie Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:09:34 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=20478#comment-378511 I’m not sure of how I feel about the public announcement of grades. Essentially, discipline (or “education” as you wrote in one post) should go from least-controlling to controlling. This means that you try subtle things first and then move to something more obvious and only when it is absolutely necessary do you do things like calling a kid out by name and scolding them publicly and potentially humiliating them in front of everyone. Doing that first just seems odd to me, and obnoxious. (Basically, by calling one kid out, you distract the rest of the class, and take time away from learning.)

As for the penmanship, I love it! I have graded so many illegible papers. I remember when I was in elementary school I worked really hard on my cursive, and my teachers told me that I would have to write papers in it someday. This never happened. By the time I was in classes that required formal essays, everyone expected things to be typed–thankfully I already knew how to type. Which brings me to another frustration… kids these days can use iPods and touch screens and they can do stuff on a computer that I haven’t even heard of, but they can’t type! This generation got rid of typing the way mine got rid of cursive, I guess…

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By: Ima http://www.designmom.com/2012/06/school-update/comment-page-1/#comment-366038 Ima Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:51:26 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=20478#comment-366038 I adore the “font” used to teach cursive at your children’s school. My grandparents all used that lovely script and I really would like my child to learn it as well (it’s so much more attractive than what is taughtin U.S. school, IMO). Any idea where we might be able to find practice books in the States?

Thanks!

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By: bdaiss http://www.designmom.com/2012/06/school-update/comment-page-1/#comment-365923 bdaiss Tue, 26 Jun 2012 20:04:08 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=20478#comment-365923 Oh Gabby. You must stop. Really. So many of us are going to move to France at this rate. : )

I *love* that handwriting chart. I must find one. I (like others) know schools are cutting cursive from curriculums. I find it horrifying. (Heck, I took calligraphy courses for a few years!) I am determined my children will learn, even if I have to teach them at home.

I do like the idea of publicly announced grades. Although in practice I can think of a few reasons not to. However, I’m one of those Americans who think we, as a society, have become too “soft”. Too protective. Too “everybody-wins!” The real world will not be so kind to our children. We better teach them how to stand up for themselves and work hard for what they want or this country will not be long for the world.

Thank you. Thank you for sharing your taste of another culture. (Or a big tall drink of it as the case may be.) But please – stop it! My husband is sick of hearing me blather on about it! : )

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By: Catherine http://www.designmom.com/2012/06/school-update/comment-page-1/#comment-365634 Catherine Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:21:54 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=20478#comment-365634 Hi Anna,

How did your children go with the transition from the Australian schooling to the German way. We are considering moving from Australia to France , i’am interested to know what my kids may go through having not been through the french system. The australian system at the moment seems a bit lacking. Especially in appearance and penmanship.

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By: Jennifer http://www.designmom.com/2012/06/school-update/comment-page-1/#comment-365538 Jennifer Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:21:35 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=20478#comment-365538 It’s so interesting that you said this (about calling adults by their first name). I am in my early thirties and was NEVER allowed to call adults by their first name – it was either Aunt/Auncle or Mr./Mrs. depending on the situation. My fiance is French (I’m there currently) but we’ll be moving back to Canada soon. He likes the casualness of North America (well, some parts!) and doesn’t think the name thing is a big deal. As an educator, however, I cringe when I hear children call their friends parents by their first name. Sometimes I think it makes what they’re saying quite rude, albeit unintentionally.
As for yoga pants….I never wear them in France, not even at home anymore! Last year, I was at home working and wearing my yoga pants. My fiance came home for lunch and then we were going out. I asked him to wait a few minutes until I could get changed. He replied, “Oh, you are not going to wear your pyjama outside?” (cheekily!) However, here in Canada, I have an administrator who wears them to work! Much TOO casual in my opinion.

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By: Melissa - Keith Pitts Portraits http://www.designmom.com/2012/06/school-update/comment-page-1/#comment-365444 Melissa - Keith Pitts Portraits Fri, 22 Jun 2012 04:49:52 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=20478#comment-365444 My two girls attend Montessori school her in Arizona – fortunately there is an emphasis on handwriting. The intro to cursive handwriting was this great book called “Handwriting without Tears” – a really good hands on approach to learning cursive – and the kids LOVE it.

The public announcement of grades reminds me of my Catholic school days just outside of Boston. The Monsignor would hand deliver the report cards and if he didn’t like what he saw he either reprimanded you in front of the class or took you into the hall for a private berating. Either way, the entire class knew what opinion he had of your grades.

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By: Alex http://www.designmom.com/2012/06/school-update/comment-page-1/#comment-365437 Alex Fri, 22 Jun 2012 04:32:52 +0000 http://www.designmom.com/?p=20478#comment-365437 I am from Poland and that is the way it was through my school years all the way through college. I do not see anything wrong with it. When you think about the public announcement of grades you should think about adult life. In USA it does not happen and only here in US you have so many people in therapy and on prozac, zoloft, etc.
I was shocked when I found out that kids in US do not do cursive and proper handwriting.

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